Should just use Linux, tbh.
It’s true. My new windows laptop crashes, lags, and constantly blasts the fan. My older Linux laptop does none of those things even under greater workloads.
I’m impressed at the balanced conversations in this submission. People who are both for and against Windows and Linux. As I remember, it felt like everyone was heavily biased towards Linux and hated everything about Windows 6 months ago.
It’s still true, we’re just pretending for the sake of discussion.
It is still true. I have to manage windows PCs for my business so naturally I have one. Windows 11 really is a heap of trash. I have Microsoft’s own surface. When I switch virtual desktops the task bar briefly grows then shrinks. Randomly task bar icons will disappear and just be blank. They are still there, they just have no icon. To fix that I have to restart explorer.exe. Not impressed. It’s a downgrade over 10 and 10 was an upgrade over 8.1, but a downgrade over 7.
Windows 10 does the exact same thing these days. I have no idea of the frequency on Windows 10 but I’ve seen it.
My desktop still has 10 but it has other issues lol. I haven’t seen these specific ones yet.
I liked some of the underlying stuff in windows fifteen years ago. Now I’m just done, theres no excuse for the shit they’re pulling.
Clearly the only option is templeOS
Mac - best light laptop Linux - best server/programmer workstation Windows - best gaming machine
It’s been like that for years
I do ML stuff on my Mac that even the most expensive RTX 4090 could dream of being able to do, because of a buttload of shared memory
As a developer I’ve been missing most of my tools on Linux, and the OS is just catching up.
Friendly remember that macOS is a Unix system that can run any Linux software, meaning that anything done on Linux can be done on macOS.
Proton makes Linux a perfectly fine gaming platform, with sometimes even better performance on Proton than native Windows…
Anyway Windows sucks, that we can agree on
macOS is a Unix system that can run any Linux software
Not quite, but they are very similar.
It’s unclear what you’re trying to explain
Do you mean subtraction by “-“?
yeah you are right it was a mess now it’s improved. The point is avoid religious beliefs and use them all at what they are best at. Leave the technoreligions to Warhammer where it’s fun at least. Unlike the constant OS battles in the tech circles.
Now I understand it. Tbh I hope Linux will takeover the Windows post as OS for gaming, as many games are becoming playable on Linux, thanks to Proton, Wine, PlayOnLinux and so on
Interesting, considering I haven’t noticed… and gaming benchmarks have shown a minimal if any difference in gaming performance between Windows, stripped down Windows, and Linux. You’d have to split hairs to find it.
I disagree - Linux actually tanks GPU performance if you’re VRAM limited. It’s extremely unfortunate, as many games now have atrocious VRAM usage for no particular reason.
If you’re not limited though, you’re absolutely right, the difference is minimal and generally within margin of error. Some CPU bound games are better on Linux though, in a measurable way, specially if you’re running bleeding edge distros.
Idk man. I have a brand new laptop my work got me and I notice it. Windows is just plain bad now. It’s like I go to save a file and the file browser window opens and I’m stuck sitting there waiting for minutes. It’s like I’m suddenly 10 again when you’d turn on your pc, go make breakfast, come back and hope your PC finished booting. Does it both on my work laptop running 11 and my PC at home running 10.
That is not even remotely normal.
Normal enough I deal with it on 2 separate machines. One new and store bought, unmolested by IT lockdown bs, and the other I built and use really just for gaming. Idk man. I just feel like Windows has gotten worse and worse and I’m thinking of hopping back to Linux now that gaming is more accessible on it thanks to Proton, but I can’t completely get away from windows.
From my experience with the Steam Deck, gaming on Linux is more feasible than ever, but still far worse than on Windows, especially any time a game refuses to work. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a neat, even great device, but the OS is by far its biggest weakness, despite Valve’s efforts to hide it as much from the user as possible and address its issues.
That happens for me only if my network drives are not properly connected. Windows will absolutely take you on that until it’s connected or times out.
Your only way out is to crash explorer.exeYour work laptop may have company spyware on it. That will drag down the performance of the system, especially if it is monitoring absolutely everything.
It doesn’t. I bought it with a company credit card and I don’t let IT touch it. I gotta do a lot of stuff in the field so I don’t have time to call IT every time I need to install a software update update.
The File Explorer behavior is something I’ve been noticing lately. I do have a number of cloud accounts connected for work, 2 One Drive, 1 dropbox, with a shit ton of files and folders (most not sync’d locally) and I wonder if File Explorer is looking through those when it opens.
Probably the cloud syncing then. That’s always something that hurts performance. It would take investigating to find out what exactly is doing it.
Note: I’ve used OneDrive, Dropbox, and Nextcloud, and historically, all these services take up a good chunk of resources… Windows, Mac, Linux, you name it. I’ve tried it on them all.
Absolutely something related to Cloud drives and it trying to load something on slow bandwidth connections.
If my network drive at home is not connected windows becomes a slow behemoth. Connect the drive back and dayum it’s fast.
A good number of games run better on Linux, I bet it will find it obvious on lower specced machines too. I just saw this video today and on Linux, it shows a 10 fps boost for most of the games demonstrated.
Yeah so pretty hard to generalize based on testing one setup. Ask most people with an Nvidia GPU how they like Linux gaming…
I think as long as it isn’t the newest nvidia gpu, I’ve heard they’re generally alright if you use the proprietary and non-free drivers.
It’s the UI he’s complaining about.
You notice it on old hardware. On my Latitude e6220 (i3 2nd gen) there is a night and day performance difference between windows 10 and Linux.
As someone with Ivy Bridge hardware that has run Windows 10 and Ubuntu… I haven’t.
Ubuntu is heavy for a Linux distro, because it uses the heaviest DE (GNOME), uses the less optimized Snap packages, and perhaps has other Canonical telemetry or something.
If you want better performance, try something with a lightweight DE. I have a laptop running Lubuntu (essentially Ubuntu with LXQt instead of GNOME), and it’s actually quite responsive, at least for basic system functions.
Because if you run anything on the web with a 10 year old CPU, it’s gonna suck due to the huge web browsers accompanying the bloated websites. Even on a well optimized website, the browser overhead is significant on bad hardware, especially regarding the launch time of the browser.
I use artix Linux with hyprland WM. System uses 384mb of ram on idle.
Edit: Even with extreme debloat you can’t get this performance on windows.
Just install win95 !
Or 3.1 😅
I’m sorry but low RAM usage is not good performance, those are not the same.
Also, I’ve read somewhere that all memory not in use is wasted memory. I find that thought really interesting. If an operating system would be able to always maximize RAM usage by loading every peace of software and information it uses or is about to use without using swap or a pagefile it shoud be more responsive I think.
Yes, you are right. But windows load programs Into ram that I don’t even want to use.
In addition to less ram usage thee is also less CPU usage and faster boot time (with HDD).
I just memeory leak and gain infinite performance /s
linux is caching a lot, if there’s enough RAM. you can see it in the output of the “free” command.
however, nothing stops you from moving all the stuff you frequently use to a ramdisk. it’s just uncomfortable copying it over and refreshing it as updates come in. also you may want to persist some files.
personally i have my shader caches on a ramdisk on some of my boxes. the gains are minimal.
however, nothing stops you from moving all the stuff you frequently use to a ramdisk.
mount /dev/vg-ssd/lv-usr /usrBut do it during install or you have to go behind and remove the eclipsed install stuff after.
And don’t do it on systemd-afflicted systems as lennart’s cancer makes that harder because he couldn’t figure out why a /usr directory was useful and he ditched it. Dunning-kruger says what?
Windows and Linux both heavily use RAM caching, that is, using Unused RAM as a massive disk cache to improve performance - a lot of Windows processes that are “running” are really idling in RAM and not doing anything unless called on. In a way, they’re “cached”. Because it is a read cache, it can be dismissed immediately to make room when needed.
Almost every problem with Windows running slow out of the box are one of three things:
1: Not enough RAM (stupid super cheap 4-8GB laptops) 2: Not enough storage (stupid super cheap 32-128GB laptops) 3: Installed on a hard drive (install Windows to an SSD, spinny bois are too slow for 2024)
It is true Windows 11 asks for about 5GB RAM, but what else does? Your web browser. The solution is to not be cheap and have at least 16GB RAM, regardless of your OS. You want to have no more than half your RAM used when you’re using your PC. This gives you enough for programs, the disk cache, and room to grow.
If you don’t play game,I see no reason to need more than 8GB of RAM. My computer is running very quickly with 8GB, even if I am photo editing on one screen while watching videos on the second, with a few softwares and even a VM opened in the background.
But I don’t use Windows.
I have a tablet with 8GB RAM… it feels constrained even though I’m running Mint Xfce with an idle memory usage of ~550MB. You may have grown used to the performance limitations.
Things open instantly when I click, it can’t get snappier. And I use GNOME, which isn’t the lighter solution.
Its an old laptop that only has 4 gigs of ram. I think performance is clearly visible when the fan in windows is spinning like crazy playing a YouTube video.
My 3570k very much enjoyed the switch but it’s retired now. I can’t imagine how it would have handled win11 based on the before/after of other computers I use.
That’s why it’s considered, you know, old?
oof an i3 though. modern winOS doesnt like i3’s
Those were borderline even when new. I warned people that if you wanted hardware that lasted, i3s aren’t going to cut it.
i3 is just a class the generation matters a lot a current gen i3 is very fast.
This 16-bit looking shit ad that I didn’t ask for and can’t remove unless I choose yes or no was the last straw for me. Baking Language Model AI (Copilot) is nothing I want, just like I didn’t want Cortana, or Edge. Or the dark pattern requests to consider edge. Nor the new Windows setup screen that sometimes occurs after an update which is just a sly way of shoving another option to make Edge my default browser again.
I’ve moved my laptop to Linux around December. Now I’m going to move my gaming PC over to Linux. I’m just done.
Oh ffs, Windows heard me
Grossssss every single thing listed is a hard no
using linux is such a breath of fresh air anytime I had to use windows on my work laptop
Stop using Chrome while you’re at it
I’ve haven’t had chrome installed in years.
Firefox baby.
Windows 11 exists for the sole purpose of requiring tpm 2.0 in order to boost new PC sales. 10+ year old hardware worked perfectly fine running win 10 and PC manufacturers were steadily losing sales as there was little or no need for organizations to replace what they had. The decision to make that requirement will result in millions of PCs going in the trash.
Yeah, fuck this planet, let’s fill it the land fills with perfectly usable computers because profits!
-Microsoft, probably
windows 11: doesn’t work without tpm 2.0
(some) linux distro: doesn’t work if tpm 2.0 enabled
Isn’t this true for all Windows versions?
I heard that Windows 7 is very fast
Windows 7 and 10 were decent enough after a clean install. Windows 11 doesn’t necessarily feel sluggish but with all the stuff Microsoft blasts at you it doesn’t feel like you’re getting anything done.
It’s like the operative system is constantly fighting you and doesn’t want to get out of the way.
I don’t have many complaints when it comes to Windows 10. About the only thing I really have an issue with is the damn notification center, but apparently not enough of a problem to do anything about it.
When all the innovations are just ads and telemetry, shit is going to slow down.
I have a 7950X, a pile of RAM, and an unfairly expensive RTX 4000-series GPU. The cursor occasionally hitches for ~400ms whenever doing things like opening task manager or resuming from the lock screen, so that checks out unfortunately.
Do you have software that controls RGB? I have a Corsair mouse that unfortunately has RGB and the only way (software wise) to turn it off is there awful software. And it’s not a setting, it’s more of a dead man’s switch.
When I had that software installed (Windows 10) there were times especially during gaming I could get massive mouse delay.
Windows is (finally) adding native RGB controls, might require a firmware update on the mouse though. It’s surprisingly competent for Microsoft tbh. Works fine on my Logitech g600
Not seeing corsair products on the list but probably will be eventually.
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Looks more like a bug than performance problem. Anyways start menu search has felt worse ever since Windows 8. For the most part it works, but occasionally you get random issues like these.
Things like PowerToys Run offer a much better search experience.
Powertoys Run fails to index my apps, for some unknown reason. Works great when it works, other times it’s bad.
No shit!!! We all can see it. I have a laptop that I had install windows on because Nvidia sucked on Linux. So, I tried 11 and it was godawful. Laptop is pretty beefy actually. Shit lags everywhere
my school has new lenovo thinkstations in computer classes, and ofc win11 on every machine. students busy having to close teams that pops open every 23 seconds, all those cpu fans blowing at full speed, it’s hard to hear the teacher at all.
Fuck teams. Go into its settings and tell it not to start on system boot. You’d have to this every time it gets an update.
I’ve seen lots of people recommend PopOS for NVidia users. I personally haven’t tried it yet, but could be worth a shot if you get sick of windows again.
Nobara has been working well on a 3060ti
It’d be a cheaper solution than switching to an AMD card for my gaming pc, which is my current plan. I do want to upgrade from my 2080 anyways, but graphics card are just SO expensive
This is the biggest problem with Linux IMO. If drivers could be universally fixed on Linux to be as easy as or easier than windows and Mac then the competition would have no chance. I can deal with other issues., I can deal with weird glitches, but if I can’t even use my devices that’s kind of a non-starter.
It’s not that I can’t figure out drivers, it’s just I don’t want to spend 5 hours on it.
Fair disclosure, I have been traumatized by NDIS wrappers
I’m sure you know this, but it is not linux’s fault, it’s your device’s maker who refuses to make their driver available for Linux.
It’s incredible how the startup performance of EventViewer is as bad as it was 15 years ago…
Yeah. When your software is as slow as it was fifteen years ago, on modern hardware, there is no defense.
I’ve never understood that one. I understand even less now that I’ve written a Powershell script for remote troubleshooting at work. It started simple, but now it gathers tons of information, a lot of which is from the logs. On some machines it takes literal seconds to search and pull all of the log information. I could run this script probably 15 times in the time it takes to even launch Event Viewer.
Normal news from Microsoft
Windows is shit, but 11 is not shittier than 10…
If you’re talking about the user interface, I agree.
Windows 11 is bloated with ads and telemetry.
