Inb4 lemmy supports Iran

  • Rapidcreek@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    The US House will vote on Israeli aid next week because of all this. Hopefully it’ll include Ukrainian and humanitarian aid.

  • bartolomeo@suppo.fi
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    7 months ago

    Inb4 lemmy supports Iran

    Lots of false equivalances related to this war but being against Israel bombing an embassy in another country is not the same as supporting Iran. You don’t have to choose between Israel and Iran, you have to choose between Israel and international law / human rights.

    Phrasing it as “if you don’t support Israel then you support Iran (or Hamas, Hezbolla etc.)” is to disregard the importance of international law and the fact that it applies to everyone.

  • maynarkh@feddit.nl
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    7 months ago

    Supporting either side in this idiotic war over religion is stupid. That said, I don’t know what anyone expected Iran to do after Israel bombed their embassy.

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        7 months ago

        What was Israel’s rationale for bombing Iran’s embassy in Syria and killing 12 Iranians? Revenge for what?

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          7 months ago

          Preface: I have no favorite in that conflict, I’m just answering your question. They’re all being children imo.

          On the broader topic, Iran’s significant support for Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza, both of which are considered major security threats by Israel, has been a central factor driving Israeli military actions. Iran supplies these groups with financial aid, weapons, and training, enhancing their capabilities against Israel.

          Regarding the specific target in Syria, I assume this Israel’s attempt to prevent Iran from gaining a strategic position to launch attacks against Israel.

          There have been conflicts in this region for a very long time. They are pretty much always at war.

      • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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        7 months ago

        What exactly would you suggest a country does after another country bombs their embassy? Send flowers and say pretty please don’t do it again uWu?

          • Gabu@lemmy.world
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            7 months ago

            Iran did just that. Israel spit on their faces. Now they get what they deserve.

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              7 months ago

              Well, Iran was providing weapons to various groups that were fighting Israel. The target Israel hit was a military target that supposedly was a meeting of high ranking personnel from various groups. Iran’s involvement is typically indirect and involves support through these proxies rather than direct confrontation. This strategy allows Iran to confront Israeli interests without engaging in open warfare.

              Again, I don’t think any country should be fighting or providing military aid to fight indirectly (this includes the US providing weapons to Israel). The world is a terrible place and we should be focusing on making it better, not having petty squabbles over land.

              • Gabu@lemmy.world
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                7 months ago

                Then you should campaign for the extinction of Israel, as the zionist state does nothing but cause suffering.

          • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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            7 months ago

            So continue to get walked all over. Makes sense. Israel has been illegally hitting Iranian targets in Syria for years and years, Israel had the US assassinate Soleimani, yet Iran never responded in kind. But bombing and embassy was an obvious last straw.

    • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin@lemm.ee
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      7 months ago

      Personally I think Iran kinda spoiled ever getting to complain about foul play involving foreign embassies, what I’m more interested in here is how far the US is gonna go in retaliation, because obviously they’re gonna do something here, I’m just wondering how much it’ll be and in what form.

      Personally if I was making the call, I’d sweep the IDF out of Gaza altogether and relegate them to “defensive line duty”, or more accurately “DON’T YOU FUCKING DARE TOUCH ANYTHING YOU GENOCIDAL MORONS.”, and then kill two birds with an army of drones, Iran just invited destruction onto all of their war material production shit and Russia is probably shitting bricks that their entire reserve strategy just got exposed to causus belli.

      • Windex007@lemmy.world
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        7 months ago

        Russia is gleefully rubbing their hands because they know the US public can literally only keep one thought in their heads at once and this grantees political apathy towards the Russian invasion.

        • Meh@lemy.lol
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          7 months ago

          Maybe not though. Russia needs all the drones they can get from Iran. Israel making Iran focus on them negates part of the supply support Russia requires for Ukraine.

          • Windex007@lemmy.world
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            7 months ago

            The only thing required for Russia to win is the US to continue not sending aid.

            Iran and China are no longer necessary. Russia’s wartime economy is in full swing.

            • Meh@lemy.lol
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              7 months ago

              Iran and China are 100% necessary. That’s where Russia is getting components from. Russia mostly doing final assembly. Reports nearly weekly bring up Chinese and even US made components being found in Russian equipment.

    • bartolomeo@suppo.fi
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      7 months ago

      You can just support international law, you don’t have to choose between Israel and Iran. Embassies are considered soverign soil of the nation they represent and so bombing an embassy is a direct attack on another country. When Russia invaded Ukraine in 2022 they got sanctioned by the international community. There are plenty of other examples in recent history of consequences for aggression. The only question is why is Israel exempt from consequences that apply to other countries? That’s what this false dichotomy (Israel vs. Iran/Hamas/Hezbollah etc.) is trying to mask- instead of asking why Israel is exempt from legal consequences it changes the dialogue to “if you don’t support Israel then you support terrorism” and thereby nullifies international law since the law is applied selectively.

      • maynarkh@feddit.nl
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        7 months ago

        What I see is that in general, the big powers, as in the US and China don’t hold their close allies accountable. It’s not like China held Russia to account for Bucha or Ukraine in general.

    • slaacaa@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      I’m already at the 5th training video. Waiting to see if I get a certification at the end

    • FenrirIII@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      I just finished the first episode. If nukes start flying before I finish the series, I will be very annoyed.

      • Pistcow@lemm.ee
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        7 months ago

        Me too! Pretty good episode. At least they had a good budget to replicate the world. It’s very promising…assuming we all survive.

  • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    This is just more tankie bullshit. Russia and Iran have been getting buddy-buddy like crazy, especially right before the whole Hamas attack on Israel thing in fall last year. And of course, Iran feeds Hamas war materiel.

    Russia is trying to make a war on multiple fronts to exhaust the US and make Biden unpopular while also running a campaign on social media to make Biden look bad and interfere with the 2024 election.

    In other words, Russia REALLY wants Trump to win so they can end their expensive and punishing war in Ukraine and come out looking like they won something. Also, trump has made it clear that Israel would get free rein to “finish the problem.”

    • sudo@programming.dev
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      7 months ago
      • These aide workers are actually Hamas
      • Hamas is actually Iran
      • Iran is actually Russia

      This is so disconnected from reality. The most obvious flaw is the blatant fact that nobody loves Trump and wants Trump to win more than Netanyahu. Israel is a chud-nation.

  • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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    7 months ago

    I’m glad Biden’s saber rattling, instead of attempting de-escalation when it was hand out on a silver platter was effective!

    No one could have seen that coming though, obviously.

      • wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works
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        7 months ago

        And yet… Not two days ago I was here telling people that Biden’s saber rattling was fucking stupid and was met with “no it’s gonna be effective to stop Iran retaliating against an illegal attack on its embassy”.

  • nbailey@lemmy.ca
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    7 months ago

    I guess this is the next chapter in the endless middle-east war. The British & French got exactly what they wanted when they drew up those borders. It’s truly tragic how many people are going to die in the next decade because of religious and nationalistic despots and their egos.

    • 00x0xx@lemmy.world
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      7 months ago

      This has very little to do with the colonial borders drawn by the British and French almost 100 years ago. Rather it’s animosity due to more recent events. In this case, Israel’s betray of the Iranian people right before the revolution of 1979.

    • dmrzl@programming.dev
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      7 months ago

      Even in that very long list of European crimes in history, Sykes-Picot really outshines the rest in how big of a fuckup it was.