• circuscritic@lemmy.ca
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      Russia’s share of the global arms export market was in a gradual decline before Ukraine, and it’s been in a virtual freefall post invasion.

      This is the kind of PR they need for the long term financial survival of their big ticket weapons programs. So whether they can spare these planes militarily, might be a secondary consideration behind financial longevity concerns.

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      Jets are not a winning strategy in Ukraine. Only grinding it out can achieve anything.

      Hope the recent aid puts another nail into that strategy.

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        What do you think the primary purpose of multirole fighers has ben in the Ukraine war?

        They’re primarily used as long range tactical and strategic bombing platforms, which is pretty important in a war of attrition.

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      Given that Iran paid for them years ago and is now in a bit more of a tense situation than usual, I have a feeling Iran is saying to Russia that they’d better deliver or they’ll stop selling stuff to Russia. Iran will be fine if Russia loses to Ukraine, so they can afford to make that threat

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        This seems good all around to me. Russia has fewer planes to attack Ukraine and Israel ends up focusing more of its resources on the Iranian military instead of Gazan civilians. A bit of a “why don’t you pick on someone your own size” situation.

    • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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      The Iranians have been churning out literal thousands of Shahed drones for Russia to shoot into Ukraine. I’m pretty sure this was the other half of the deal they made.

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      I was going to say the same thing. Maybe these are the especially shitty jets that are even shittier than their normal shitty jets?

    • DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe
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      Israel/Iran won’t be a proxy war if it goes hot.

      For one thing, they don’t have a border with Israel, and Israel doesn’t have Marines, so they can’t even load up and sail through ally controlled water.

      If Israeli troops try to invade Iran, or vice versa, it will either be through Iraq and Jordan/Syria and a whole bunch of weird shit will kick off if that happens.

      Also… Everyone knows Israel has nukes, and Iran’s program was rather famously sabotaged.

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        Even if they don’t have a nuke (and we assume they haven’t otherwise acquired one), does Iran have the materials to make a dirty bomb?

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          Iran should have plenty of material for a dirty bomb from their joint Russian reactor project many many years back. The problem is that the US can fingerprint Uranium to where it was mined after a blast due to each mine having their own set of impurities based on the region the material came from.

          If the he material used in the peaceful electrical reactor project ends up in a bomb, it could be used as Casus Belli for a Nuclear Reaponse against Iran and Russia by Israel and the US.

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        Or the fighter jets are piloted by teenaged schoolgirls.

        Or the fighter jets are teenaged schoolgirls.

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    Where is everyone complaining about Israel now? As much as I disagree with the Gaza treatment, we need them if Iran and Russia are together.

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      The ongoing genocide might be a slight hint

      Also they are the ones stoking tensions with Iran, Iran very clearly doesn’t want a direct war

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        You don’t see an issue in international relations if Iran is cooperative with Russia? And how this might involve the world and in return the United States?

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          I can see how it might affect the US. I don’t see why Israel would be needed for anything in that scenario.

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            Well because they are a very powerful ally and they have been for a while. As much as it sucks that they are doing horrible things in Gaza, we have had them in our corner since the 40s and they are closer. With nukes. It’s a strategic move.

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              Ah yes such a powerful ally that we have to subsidize their defense. Such a powerful ally that they haven’t given the US any military support since the cold fucking war. Truly the strongest ally ever.

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                Having an ally doesn’t mean you have to things sent to you. It means when there is a fight they are on your side. Which is what Russia is trying to stoke. I mean you can be angry with me, it doesn’t change what their plans are and how they are playing it.

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                  It means when there is a fight they are on your side.

                  Illustrate how Israel was on our side in any conflict in the past 30 years.

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    The same SU 35s getting shot down over Ukraine? Or are these the even worse export versions? Lol, it won’t matter.

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      SU-35 is a defence jet, not an assault one. It’s getting shot over Ukraine because it’s not used for its purpose. It’s like sending a heavy bomber into a dog fight.

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        Ohh, so it only wins fights it didn’t start? That explains why it keeps getting shot down.

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        It’s supposed to be an air superiority aircraft not an interceptor. I think you’ve confused the two. Inceptors are defensive, air superiority are aggressive.

        Their role is to take control of new areas, in this role they’ve been taken out by Ukraine’s air defence. Which defends against aggressive aircraft.

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          They still are not intended for invasion and air to ground attacks.