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Why isn’t adapting ICEs into EVs a thing? Why more lithium-based ewaste with build-int obsolescence?
lithium-based ewaste
That’s propaganda. Lithium ion batteries can be well recycled. First second life as static energy storage, then broken down into materials and wheich are then reused. Around 98% of the materials can be recycled.
with build-int obsolescence
Batteries can be replaced. Nio makes it super easy, other manufacturers require one day at a repair garage. Overall way fewer parts suffer from degradion from use in EVs than ICE cars.
Overall way fewer parts suffer from degradion from use in EVs than ICE cars.
That’s only because an EV has less moving parts. And yes, there is built-in obsolescence in any modern car, ICE or otherwise.
Disposable vapes put more lithium into landfills than EVs. Everyone throws their vape in the trash, nobody throws their EV battery module in the trash
Adaptions are a thing. However paying someone to do it costs a lot of money (even doing it yourself is not cheap) and it’s not much more of a stretch to one’s budget to get a whole new car built from the ground up as an EV, so commercial conversions tend to be a niche market focused on more interesting vehicles (e.g. what this Melbourne based conversion company converts).
Economies of scale, i guess… Renault seems to have tried it, perhaps for internet points only though.
I can’t shake the feeling that the technology is there and attainable, but… money. Which means it only favors automakers.
It is a (VERY niche) thing
How would converting an ICE to an EV reduce the need for lithium?
Adapting is very labor intensive, so very expensive. Somewhere between $20.000 and $65.000 depending on the car. They do that for old timers where somebody is willing to pay for it for the love of the car to keep it running when the engine is busted. But with that price tag, you can just as well buy a second hand or even a new EV.
So yay landfills? So caring for the environment is only important when it’s cheap?
Dude. You asked a question. People have been trying to answer it as best they can.
Don’t use that as an excuse to complain about something else without at least acknowledging their willingness to put the effort in.
Either that, or don’t ask questions, just make a rant comment
caring for the environment is only important when it’s cheap?
Lots of people even pay ridiculous amounts of money to look manly and strong in a big truck and pay even more to roll coal with it instead of spending money to make things more environmental friendly.
The power train is the most expensive and largest part of an EV. So stuffing it info a vehicle that isn’t meant for it is pretty tricky. It’s easier if you sacrifice the truck or back seat for batteries, but it’s still hard.
So it seems, but aren’t electric motors way smaller? Heck Ryan F9 fits inside a truck’s engine space (but i’m trying to make a point for any vehicle, yes).
The electric motors can be pretty tiny. The batteries are generally the packaging problem. They’re heavy and lumping them all where the engine would have been in a vehicle will have severe impacts on weight balance and handling. Distributing them is best, but requires space that vehicles need to be designed around. You can put some batteries in the engine compartment and some in the trunk to keep things neutral, but that still requires giving up storage space and requires running a high voltage line throughout the vehicle to connect the battery banks.
Do you mean converting an ICE into an EV in your garage? There are hobbyists who do that, but it’s not a small project.
Do you mean taking an existing ICE frame and making an EV version? It happens. The Mini Cooper EV is a Cooper S with the guts from the BMW i3 dropped in. They changed as little as they could get away with. They even left the hood scoop on.
It makes for an EV that’s just OK, but not great.
Do you mean taking an existing ICE frame and making an EV version? It happens. The Mini Cooper EV is a Cooper S with the guts from the BMW i3 dropped in. They changed as little as they could get away with. They even left the hood scoop on.
Meaning it can be done. I don’t think there are that many engineering challenges to overcome. If the main obstacle is money, perhaps stopping the subsidies to Big Oil would help?
The main obstacle is that they aren’t very good. They’re a transitional step. We’re already moving past the point where it makes sense. The next Mini EV models coming out will be purpose built designs.
Likely well deserved — but still unfortunate. The EV space only benefits from more options and more competition.
My wife was thinking between the Rivian s3 and the Fisker as our next vehicle.
This makes me sad to hear.
And all it took was scapegoating a reviewer kid. (Don’t look at the stock prices before that, please)
And I didn’t really think his review was all that scathing.
Marques is actually very balanced even in his critical reviews.
Even with the Humane AI pin, he did commend them on their physical build quality, even if the rest of the device was practically useless, he never outright said that, just points out the flaws.
Although I do wonder sometimes how much he tries to hard to be balanced, as some products, especially cars due to the price, don’t deserve kind treatment for noticeable faults.
The video’s title “worst car ever reviewed” was not as balanced though :D
I guess. But as long as it’s actually true and he actually believes that, I see no real issue with it.
It wasn’t. Fisker’s shitty response is what made it an even bigger deal.
30 year olds are kids now? This is big
Ask the Fisker technician who called the guy who rented out the EV to Browlee.
Well tbf a lot of people have been following him since he actually was a kid. He started the channel when he was in high school.
THANKS MKBHD
Thanks MKBHD for not sucking corporate dick and actually showing issues with products and helping people make informed decisions on their purchases, right?
of course, i posted this as a joke (like “thanks Obama”), i really doubt his review had anything to do with the company going bankrupt, but seeing the downvotes i’ll really think twice before commenting
Down votes are fake on here. Never think more than once before commenting.
yeah, but it’s dialogue, when what you’re saying is met with disagreement you stop talking, though in many cases it’s misunderstanding, people not getting the joke or what I want to convey (not native English speaker here BTW), generally i find people here more ideology-driven and rarely getting the jokes, than on reddit, it was more loose back there (mandatory fuck spez obvs)
but seeing the downvotes i’ll really think twice before commenting
there is no point to farming karma on lemmy
What did he do?
I read that as Fiskars first, and thought noo not the scissor company! But all is good, just another EV startup gone flop.
