• key@lemmy.keychat.org
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    6 months ago

    In a shocking turnabout, Atlantis announces legalized marijuanna and also their continued existence.

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    The West has lost the ‘war on drugs’, whatever that means.

    The only way out is to regulate (and therefore tax) them. Cannabis is the gateway drug (pun intended).

    I’m old and tried something mild ish when I young. It didn’t really do much for me so I never went down that path. I don’t even drink more than a unit a fortnight, usually I’m driving and I only drink socially. Just don’t fancy it much anymore.

    As far as I’m concerned, the benefits of living today are mainly being funneled to an elite. Taxes were mostly levied on companies and have become taxes levied on the individual, with companies not really paying tax at all. People are struggling to hold it together. Drugs represent escapism pending some kind of revolution.

    I’m one of ‘Thatcher’s children’ - A Gen X watching young people today giving up. If you had told me last century that I would have written such a thing today, I would have punched you.

    I believe that the move left of the politics of today represents the population asking for help.

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        6 months ago

        They already tax alcohol everywhere as far as know. Maybe you’re in the 'Mercan mountains and you’re a moonshine master; but noting the instance and name probably not!

        Hullo to Deutschland!

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      From Canada, where legalization has happened, it’s pretty much like nothing changed, except there are way more products on the market at way cheaper prices than before. Most people consume cannabis in their personal spaces, and there has been a ton of tax revenue, despite consumers paying about half of what I was paying before on the black market.

      It’s all-around a huge win.

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      What’s wrong with a government deciding to regulate and tax a previously illegal substance that is less harmful than many legal drugs at the moment, thus reducing revenue streams for cartels and gangs along with getting more money that the government can use?

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        Because it’s still harmful, and we should be making the drugs that are even more harmful illegal

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    Hopefully none. Cannabis is really bad for your health and should NOT be used for “fun”:

    • Marijuana causes an “increased risk of stroke, heart disease, and other vascular diseases.” (CDC, 2020-a)
    • “Smoke from marijuana has many of the same toxins, irritants, and carcinogens (cancer-causing chemicals) as tobacco smoke.” (CDC, 2020-b)
    • “People who use marijuana are more likely to develop […] long-lasting mental disorders, including schizophrenia (a type of mental illness where people might see or hear things that are not really there).” (CDC, 2020-c)

    There’s thousands of activities with less adverse effects than doing drugs. PLEASE get a hobby other than trying to fry your brain with chemicals.

    References

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        Strawman

        I believe that it’s recreational use should be illegal, not that it should be punished with jailtime. The best punishments for that “crime” are fines and forced rehab, not jailtime.

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            Well, it takes away the money they would’ve used to buy more substances. Also its not meant to bankrupt anyone lol. Fines should be proportional to the reported income

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              So the government should have all the money? Stuff like that doesn’t stop anything. And what did the users do wrong to the world? You’re stupid in your own shitty world 🙃 there’s probably something someone should give you a fine for lol. At least just for being dumb

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      6 months ago

      Is that any worse than caffeine, alcohol, etc? Do you advocate for making those illegal?

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        Yes. Their production should be illegal and punished with fines and jailtime. Their recreational use should be punished with fines (take away the money they would’ve used to buy more substances) and forced rehab, ie. Classes on how to stop relying on those drugs.

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            Right, nothing more totalitarian than wanting to save people’s lives. Let’s allow everyone to do everything that makes them feel good, consequences be damned. What’s the worst that could happen?

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              Genuinely curious where do you draw the line?

              Like honest question: Do you think we should ban every activity that is as risky as consuming marijuana? If not, why not? Why marijuana and not everything else.

              If we’re banning marijuana to save lives because it’s too risky we should be banning driving a car, and climbing a ladder, and hundred other common everyday activities that are more likely to kill you then smoking pot.

              You’re not wrong, there are health risks to weed. But there’s risks with literally everything, and weed is really far down on the list of most risky activities.

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                Going up a ladder and using a car fulfill a practical purpose, and there are numerous safety precautions you can take to minimize the potential risk of an injury. On the contrary, recreational cannabis is explicitly done for fun, and there isn’t really a “risk-safe” way of developing schizophrenia due to substance abuse lmao

                Do you think we should ban every activity that is as risky as consuming marijuana? If not, why not? Why marijuana and not everything else.

                Your use of the word “risky” implies that there’s a consequence-free way of doing cannabis. There is not. You will always suffer adverse health effects by doing marijuana.

                And to answer your question, no. Because security precautions can be taken to do other fun activities safely. There are no sufficient precautions which would allow you to do marijuana 100% safely.

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                  Should we ban roller coasters? They fulfill no practical purpose, and only add risk of injury.