IDK about final but Framework has a pretty strong possibility of being my next laptop.
The entire framework thing is not a good value because it costs like ~2000 dollars for a laptop. People are acting like the timeline for use on these things is infinity. It’s not. I have on two occasions went and bought an i3 and Celeron laptop for 100 dollars each. Both of these machines do what I need. Both play emulators, both play videos. I just want to know which use case a 2000 dollar laptop that is modular fits? I feel like this is astroturfing. The laptops have m1 expansion as well. Help me out here. Why is a framework worth 20 cheap and reliable laptops? Inb4 sustainability, you would still be trashing the old parts after upgrading, right? I feel like workstations have so much more value if we are talking about modularity and power. I guess, if this is your one computer to rule them all you might be able to justify the expense, but why not buy a workstation for like 1000 bucks, a 200 dollar laptop, and pocket the leftover 800 buckeroos?
It’s the final laptop in the same way that Theseus’s boat was the last one he ever bought. You can replace bits piecemeal, but at some point you’ll end up with enough leftovers for a whole new laptop.
That said, I have an Intel one and it’s a fantastic laptop. Also, not only are the motherboards capable of running on their own outside the laptop, but they’ve partnered with Cooler Master to make little cases for them so you can turn old mobos into mini PCs.
Should’ve named the company Theseus.
Hardware manufacturers hate this trick to multiply devices.
Dont the upgrades cost close to a new laptop though? And what are you supposed to do with the old parts?
They sell cases to make a small desktop/media center, you can resell them for people that need that or weaker laptop is fine. Or you can recycle.
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I have repaired a lot of laptops in the past. The repairability depends on the price and the brand. But most of them are repairable. The issue is often first finding the part number and the correct part on the right website. With some luck the manufacturer has a manual available for finding part numbers and repair steps. But most of the time YouTube is where you end up. What I mean is, with other laptops the repair success depends on more variables. The framework laptops stand out because of the ease of the repair process and the success rate of the repairs. Finding the right part number and part online and the guide to actually repair the laptop and the actual replacing is also easy the parts are designed to be easily replaced. It is also possible to send them the broken part back for recycling, how they to that I haven’t looked into yet. The i/o is nice the fact that you can change and decide later to add more ports For the average user this is not the big sell feature. It’s the fact that you can save money and still have your device, have minimal downtime. I compared laptops of the same specs or very close to. The added price is between 100 and 200 euros. You’ll be happy you spent that extra when your laptop eventually had a hardware malfunction. Or can use an upgrade.
Anyone got this information not in a video?
Doesn’t work for me since the next machine I buy needs to be waterproof. But good on them!
Oh these guys. I love their idea but I’m with you on the water resistance.
I’ve been tempted to get one as an alternative Linux laptop to my MacBook.
Why do you need a waterproof laptop? (I’m just curious)
For pooping in the hot tub, of course
Something not mentioned in the video.
A second Boeing whistle blower just abruptly died.
Upvote for Boeing diss, but probably not the right community.
Forbes isn’t great but their overall philosophy means it should last at least 10 years if you take care of it. I have an acer c720 with Debian that still kinda works
That’s not really saying much if that’s all their shooting for. My last two desktops lasted 12+ years and just turned into severs afterwards. My 2013 MBP just got replaced as my daily driver last year and still works as a backup in a pinch. I use a Toshiba Haswell Intel laptop from 2013 as a dev kubernetes cluster. Unless you’re doing something wrong or need to be cutting edge, you should easily get 10yrs out of it. I want to know if I can get 20-30 out of this framework laptop, in theory I’d be possible with replacement parts and such. If framework is in business that long at last.
They’re a new company so we’ll still have to see if they’re as reliable as some older machines. Providing parts and usb c adapters helps with longevity I guess
That’s the Framework logo. People have been talking about them a bit on here, as they’re relatively-modular, as laptops go.
I like the general idea, but they don’t really make the things that I care about modular. They let you:
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Pick a keyboard layout. Okay, but this is basically available for other laptops. I’m just gonna get their US layout.
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Pick little blocks that provide ports, like Ethernet or USB-A or DisplayPort or USB-C or audio. That’s not bad, but I’m broadly okay with the ports on a laptop today. It might be slightly nicer to pick exactly where they are or have another USB-C port, but for my needs, not a big issue.
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Discrete video or no. That’s also fine, but a lot of vendors provide this option.
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If one chooses a smaller keyboard on a larger laptop, spacers, which can be an LED array. That’s pretty unique, but I don’t know what I’d use it for.
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There also isn’t soldered-on memory or such, which is nice in terms of not paying a premium for it, but then, you’re also paying a premium for the laptop in the first place.
I’d like more battery size and a Synaptics (mechanical buttons) touchpad. But those aren’t options that they make modular.
Alright, other vendor provide an option to have or not to have discrete GPU. Can you change it once a better GPU is available? Can other laptop vendor swap out their display with a touch capable one when needed? (As of now, framework doesn’t have a touchscreen available yet, but IIRC, their board has the capabilities, but then again, their board is so modular that they can offer upgrade for trade-in). Can other vendor have bigger battery when you wanted the bigger battery without affecting other hardware choices? Framework batteries in the 13 series are improved purely by better chemistry. You can replace it with the bigger capacity one.
Edit: also, they are still a new company. Their hope is that 3rd party vendor is interested in making other modular part. The trackpad is a good example of it. It also can make some patented design available to the framework if the patent holder willing to make the accessory without giving up or licensing their patent.
The difference being you can easily replace/upgrade any of those parts on a Framework laptop…
Discrete video or no. That’s also fine, but a lot of vendors provide this option.
Yeah, but not as a user-serviceable module that can be replaced with minimal effort. I think you’re grossly oversimplifying this point.
They’re largely disregarding the fact that the laptop is easily repairable… They’re kinda missing the whole point of the device/company.
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