i don;t like conscription into the military but i’ve always felt some sort of manatory non-military civil or social service or peace corps participation would do a lot for encouraging civic participation in exchange for some sort of universal educational system or some form of reimbursement for secondary education.
In this day and age it feels like a McDonald’s worker could ai copilot a drone better than the folks over in Israel, so no I totally disagree with conscription without certain safeguards in place to prevent genocide or other dumbfuckery.
in exchange for some sort of universal educational system or some form of reimbursement for secondary education.
That’s supposed to be the taxes you pay for the rest of you life
taxes don’t allow you to appreciate civic participation…
Germany needs to draft soldiers to go to Ukraine as soon as possible and help the Ukrainians. It is the right thing to do.
As much as I would like to see Russia get shitmixed by a proper first world army (not that Ukraine hasn’t been doing phenomenally), I think that might actually put putin in a corner.
Ideally we’ll just keep giving Ukraine equipment and propagandize how hard they’re kicking russian ass and sanction the hell out of Russia until the people and oligarchs lose their appetite for Ukraine.
Draft soldiers of Germany are not allowed to operate outside of our own borders and are used to fill the gaps that stem from professional soldiers working abroad. The Bundeswehr and especially the draftees can only be used for peacekeeping, humanitarian aid and defense.
How about our military stays between our own borders. Let those that want to go go. But don’t force a bunch of our youth to go fight someone else’s war.
If you don’t fight the Russians in Ukraine, you will be fighting them in Germany. Don’t say you weren’t warned.
Then go sign up for it and fight. No one is stopping you.
I bet you could find a bunch of people saying this almost word-for-word as Hitler took Czechoslovakia.
Hey, I’ve seen this one
Of course you have. The Draft has been active from 1954 to 2010.
In the USA I had to sign up for the draft when I came of age, but luckily the draft system hasn’t been utilized since 1973.
Same year that the productivity-pay gap begins. Hmm.
In Germany, the last conscripts were called up in 2011.
I’m buying broomstick stonks right now
The title is not entirely correct. They don’t plant to “introduce” conscription. Germany had conscription from its formation of the Bundeswehr in 1955 until it was put on hiatus in 2011 because people back then thought that Ivan was no longer a problem. So what they think about is not “introducing” but just reactivate it.
The changes will be that while before 2011, conscription was only for men, it is planned to be for both sexes, and military service will no longer the one preferred service (back then, you had to go through quite some hoops if you did not want to serve in the Bundeswehr and do your time in e.g. social services). This time, the military option is just one of several that can be chosen.
That makes sense and good on them for conscription not caring about gender
At this stage it’s all hot air. Nobody has even started talking about how to finance it and the defense minister isn’t even 100% sure he will get his requested additional funds for the next cycle. When somebody asked him about the topic he replied that he isn’t categorically against it but he would have to finance (and restructure, as the necessary infrastructure for it has been degraded/scrapped) more important topics first.
Preparing for world war?
Probably that, and also gender equality. I’m not really in the favor of drafting, but it’s unfair that men have to go and women don’t.
Pointless signalling. No government would send young women to die in war.
That is just patently false. There are plenty of women fighting in warzones.
yeah… dozens. No government would conscript and send unwilling women to die in war. The women who fight on the front lines are always vaulenteers, and they are very very few.
You’d be a fool not to at this point.
Prepare, sure. There’s a lot of alternate ways things could resolve, though, and MAD is about as sturdy as it’s ever been.
That is so sad, these kinds of times should already be over in humanity’s history. Why doesn’t anyone have a solution? Are the war mongering powers just waiting for the new nuclear deterrent? Future AI terminators pls just go straight to Russia/China/USA leadership and let the humans be
It’s because the leaders aren’t the ones fighting the battles or being targeted. They’re playing chess somewhere far from the violence.
We should just solve conflicts by throwing the presidents or monarchs of the opposing countries in an arena to fight to death.
I think it’d be better if we disregarded highly authoritarian leaders in general and embraced socialism. Back in the day, kings and emperors fought their battles, but it didn’t make their feudalism any less… feudal.
Unfortunately humans are greedy so that won’t ever happen.
Humans cooperated and formed large confederations long before capitalism and liberalism were ideas.
It’s true that unequal and selfish organisations have often consolidated power and squashed other organisations but we’ve also seen humanity going the opposite way many times before.
To shrug our shoulders and say humans are inherently greedy so socialism can’t work is a cop out. We’ve dismantled unequal power structures many times before and we can do it again
