It’s actually sick, they already get a light sentence and also getting protected by the justice system while the victim they violated is heavily traumatized, probably for life. And what’s crazier is it’s happening more, I’m seeing it daily now every time I scroll, there’s another case. Just a few days ago a middle aged women was walking (probably from work it was about 2-3am) and a man was behind her, he strangled her with a belt, dragged her in between two parked cars and sexually assaulted her. He has a wife and children. This is sick Something needs to be done. It’s not just here, Korea currently the woman have a movement going on called 4B. I haven’t dine my research about it yet but correct me if I’m wrong, this movement was started because every other day a woman was murdered,stalked,abused etc. So now, they want nothing to do with men. Why do the men act blind to this? Do they not see how the woman/children around them are being treated? Do they realize they need us to procreate? I honestly don’t know what is going on in this world anymore.
Because next time someone might decided that whatever you did wrong is worthy of being served some mob justice. You might not like it, but everyone being treated the same is the basic principle thanks to which our society can work at all. Once you remove it, shit goes wild.
Remember, once you pass something like mob justice for rapists into law, it’s not long until someone who really hates something you like is gonna abuse it.
If they did the crime they should deal with the consequences of their sick actions
Uhuh and when an innocent person is murdered by a group of vigilante morons, because murderous groups never, ever stop to check, every single one of those vigilante morons can go to prison so they can do the crime for their time. Law and order exists for a reason, imprisonment is the consequence of their actions. If they’re assaulted, that’s assault, if they’re murdered, that’s murder.
Besides. Why the fuck would you want to lower yourself like that? Why go to prison for a rapist, is it worth it? If you think so, that just means the rapist will take your life as well.
Who said I would go to prison for a rapist?
shut up
Oh. I guess the fascists have made it to Lemmy in enough numbers to where they feel comfortable posting ignorant shit like this now.
OP do you believe the government has the right to murder you regardless of guilt and with no due process? Because you’re saying you fully support that with this post.
This wasn’t an ignorant question, they are protected and I want to know why
You’re being willfully ignorant of due process and I want to know why.
I just believe people that act on such crimes don’t deserve any type of justice
I’m not a pedo nor am I raping anyone so no, If I was then I deserve it. I take accountability for my actions
What’s your stance on civil liberties and DEI?
People please check OPs profile. It’s clearly a rage baiting troll.
You’re talking about the post I made about the guy I was talking to and if I could fix or relationship? That’s what a troll does?
no it isn’t I’m genuinely asking
So here’s the rationale that is generally used: If you are in a country that utilises the death sentence then the only system that can decide that is the legal system. Vigilante justice, even when morally justified in the immediate, is not a rigorous or systematically moral justice system. Ergo if anyone is in danger of being killed then they must be protected, even if they are a terrible person, as they have not been sentenced to death (or even if they have, that sentence is not to be meted down by just some other random person).
If you are in a country with no death penalty, you as a society believe that no-one should ever be killed as retribution or as an example to others, thus the argument for protecting people from serious harm is obvious.
These same basic arguments apply for corporeal punishment.
Those who are believed to have committed horrific crimes such as those you mentioned will be in extreme danger because their crimes are fairly universally considered reprehensible (because they… You know… Are). The danger is that there is no perfect justice system. Miscarriages of justice do occur and whilst you may believe that actual perpetrators should be killed or maimed in prison, the risk is that innocent people may be subjected to a horrific and irreversible punishment for no crime at all. That is not acceptable to most people within most justice systems.
And this is why others will follow and it’ll continue, they know they’ll be protected and live such a sweet life in there
The insanity and ignorance necessary to call prison “a sweet life”.
What’s the goal here? There’s no way you’re this willfully ignorant, right?
What? How in the world is that your conclusion from my point? Are you seriously advocating for mob vigilante justice systems? I agree in essence that these crimes are abhorrent and must stop, but what are you proposing as a functional justice system?
The question really is what do they need to be protected from? If they must be heavily protected from physical harm that certainly implies that there is a threat of grave physical harm to them on a regular basis. That doesn’t sound like a sweet life to me.
Maybe stop looking at news ? We all know they only put forward the negative because that’s what catches your eye. Nobody cares about little Maggie who performed moderately great at her recital, whose parents are very proud. I don’t think we were made to sustain this level of concentrated human horror at our fingertips, all day, everyday.
Do yourself a favor: Go out, touch grass.
Go touch grass? Can’t do that anymore. Why? My neighbor two houses down likes to follow me home, I had to get pepper spray because of him.
And I care, they are the future after us. We don’t need more mentally unstable people in this weird, and you? I see why males don’t care, you all have no empathy. Just disgusting predators
Look, obviously you’re having a hard time in life and you think your view of men is justified, but it only serves to antagonize the majority of men that are not predators. Nobody likes to be slandered out of the blue and for no reason. And if you were slandered like that you’d dislike it too, and you’d be right.
I’m not having a hard time I was just walking home and I’m getting followed. So this justified. Why tf are you following me? And majority of men are
I’m not having a hard time
Allow me to disagree, you’re obviously distressed and frustrated, you’re looking for confort and pproval but your post is not going the way you thought. I wouldn’t like it either.
Why tf are you following me? And majority of men are
How would I know, I’m not following you, so :shrug:
Then hush up, you’re not a woman or the stalker. You wouldn’t know. Let’s just hope it never happens to you or maybe it will and you’ll have a different view then. That’s how it usually is, some people need to feel to hear.
I don’t need to feel the rape of my closest friend for it to affect me deeply even when it had happened so long before we met. So I’ll call pass on your hasty judgment, thank you very much.
I could try to imagine why someone would stalk, but you’d probably say I’m finding them an excuse, so I’ll also pass on trying.
And this is how you lose the sympathy and protection of those who could help you against creeps.
As if men actually would help, the amount of times I’ve seen women get hit and men would just stand there or walk away. It happened to your friend and you still can’t understand, sheesh they need a new friend asap
K.
So, you’re basically asking why we have a judicial system.
If you look at world history pretty much every human society comes up with a code of what is okay and what isn’t, and once they get to a certain size they start standardizing punishments as well.
The reason for this is because it works a lot better than ad hoc justice which is too reliant on variables like who was there that day.
The reason for this is because it works a lot better than ad hoc justice which is too reliant on variables like who was there that day.
Not to mention emotions. Which is inherently biased.
OP made their account today. This is a troll.
Now I’m being called a troll, great and it was made yesterday not today. Correction
I suspect you are just a troll as others have said, but in the case you aren’t;
It’s been shown for all crimes, that degree of punishment doesn’t really have much effect on deterrence. People tend to not know what the punishment for any given crime is, they tend to underestimate how likely they are to get caught, and when worrying about consequences they tend to worry about consequences they understand, like how their family or friends will react, not what living in prison for years will be like.
The justice system everywhere is fallible, protections for those in jail aren’t only for the absolutely guilty, they are for the innocent who are incorrectly incarcerated.
Killing someone wont undue what they’ve done. As horrific as it is, the trauma inflicted on someone can’t be undone. You are only putting more suffering into the world when you punish someone without tangible goals.
“Just a few days ago a middle aged women was walking […]”
Wtf? Why didn’t you do something? You should have stepped in or called police!
“protected”
What do you mean by protected? They’re locked away?! What would be your solution? Vigilantism and vendettas?
4B […] correct me if I’m wrong […] murdered […]
That’s not the correct picture of what’s happening in South Korea. It’s mainly about patriarchy, young men getting ultra-conservative, childish and pricks to women. Murder and violence, too. But it’s not like that (murdering spouses/women) happens way more often than for example in America or Germany.
It was in a city about an away from me. I saw a post when I was scrolling. It was recorded on surveillance camera. No one seemed to be out at that time. They are locked away but that just doesn’t do it for me, they are too peaceful, they need what they did, dive back to them
Ah, I missed that. So if it’s on camera, I hope they go to jail for that.
I mean there is evil and there are criminals. Always have been. That’s how the world is. We need to lock them away or give them therapy. And we need a good justice system and police to handle that. And we need a healthy society to pvent that from happening in the first place.
Your revenge fantasy isn’t helpful. That’s how it’s been before civilization and a just justice system. There have been vendettas, lots of people being killed. Sometimes the correct ones, lots of innocent people have been killed, too. And it leads to more and more violence and crime. We know that from experience. And how does it even help the victims? I suppose not every victim is sadistic and wants to see their violator suffer physically. I myself think locking them away is alright. I’m not getting off to violence. But the punishment needs to fit the crime. They need to get locked away for a good amount of time.
And if we allowed vigilantism and mob justice… Who do you think would suffer the most? Probably black people and minorities, because they get wrongfully accused all the time. And women, because men seem to be slightly more aggressive in general. And it’d end up being a disservice to women. My point is: We need justice. Not yet more violence.
I really hope you all don’t have children especially girls, they’ll be in serious danger
I can’t believe your mothers actually pushed out such men out to society. Lord take us all
You are all showing me you guys could be potential rap*** or ped**
You guys are downvoting my post, is the shoe fitting?
You made a stupid post asking “why don’t we do this: if people do X then we should do Y.” People don’t support Y and you then say they must then support people who do X? You are putting words in people’s mouths an they don’t like that. You are also advocating for harm against people who may be innocent or are also human.
Ever heard of Emmett Till? He a black boy who was accused of whistling at a white woman in 1955 and was lynched, tortured and killed for it. He didn’t do it, and the woman much later admitted she lied about it. Yet nothing has happened to her and his murderers were acquitted
That’s different, they did that because they were just racist
No I made a a post asking why they are protected, people that do those crimes aren’t human.
Hm so a false accusation leading to a the lynching of an innocent man is completely ok though. They’re not human, right?
Never said it was right. But that’s a different topic from what we’re speaking on. I’m sure they knew he didn’t whistle at her, they didn’t care he was black.
What about in the case of a false accusation of rape or when the wrong person (i.e. not the person who committed the crime but a different person) is inevitably tried and found guilty
That’s why we have rape kits
People have gone to jail without rape kits being used based entirely on circumstantial evidence (e.g. “you were in the area around the time it happened”). While I would wish the justice system in every country were 100% accurate, it is far too common for the wrong person to be incarcerated to just sentence people to death.
Against my better judgement, let me ask you this.
What makes you say they are protected in jail? Because they get to be alive?
Have you seen how people in jail are being treated? (At least in America)
Is it not better for them to be kept alive so they can regret their actions, rather than ending their existence? Giving them opportunity to pay for their actions with something else than their lives?
Also, why should we not attack the underlying problem of why people commit these atrocious actions to begin with? Do you really believe they were born with the intention of committing these crimes?
If you are willing to live with yourself after murdering another human being, you are no different from the rapists who are willing to live with themselves after damaging another human being for life. They might be evil human beings, but they are still human.
Half of them don’t regret their actions, when I read articles most of them had previous charges already, they didn’t learn. They’ll do it again
The men are mad in here
