When I woke up today I never would if guessed that today is the day I would wind up accidentally learning that monkey prostitutes are a thing.
If it helps, that’s not monkeys inventing capitalism, it’s monkeys responding to a system of currency that was enforced on them by scientists. That’s a very different thing.
Essentially what they’ve discovered is an example of the logic of capitalism reproducing itself within those it subjugates.
Don’t bonobos offer sex for services or food in the wild? Still not necessarily capitalism to have a market, unless there was a bonobo pimp exploiting bonono hookers to profit off them without doing a damn thing himself.
If they did it still wouldn’t be capitalism. Capitalism isn’t just when market, and I don’t know why it’s important that sex is the thing being offered except to make it sound worse because our society hates sex workers.
The sex thing isn’t important it was just what bonobos use as currency, so the rest of my example just went with that.
Fair, it just seems like the people using this example are leaning hard into the “prostitution” angle. I didn’t mean to imply you were bringing it up because you personally hate sex workers or anything.
I’m sorry for your loss.
In this thread: many apes who demonstrate they have no idea what capitalism is.
I’m starting a new line of NFTs that will be Communist apes.
Anybody can make them and anybody that needs one can have one.
As it happens, no one needs that. So none exist.
To be fair, every monkey would be clubbed to death by trying to explain something to other monkeys.
It would have happened with people too.
We had to be broken into it and, by it, domesticated over hundreds of years. Now people can’t even imagine any other system possibly “working” (the exacts nature of the not working-ness of other systems is hard to pin down when we’re honest about those things also applying to capitalism).
The origins of the feudal system isn’t up for debate and we know it down to very fine detail. Hell, we can even tell the origins of some wild and obscure economic systems, not just, say, the roman slave economy. However, for some reason, were all expected to beleive capitalism just happened, as if by magic, out of no where.
Well, thats because you can’t teach the origins of capitalism, without it being a criticism of capitalism, and you can’t teach any criticism of capitalism in school either in the UK or the US.
It must be such a good and fair system to have to have its origins hidden.
Aren’t pigeons communists
90% this is an Alex Jones quote
I thought there was genuinely a thing with pigeons sharing things equally
Communism isn’t about sharing equally, but fulfilling everyone’s needs off of everyone’s abilities.
Tools are owned in common, but distribution is based on needs.
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I think it’s nonsense to apply a human system and a human behavioral analysis to animals.
But if, for the sake of arguments, pigeons were humans, does that mean they are commie scumbags?
Cool facts bro, good for you explaining things down to us.
…but OP was talking about pigeons.
I need to know if them pigeons are communist, so I do!
There are two types of community animals. That is, animals that live with others of their own species for the majority of their life.
One type generally shares everything, all members work to collect resources, and those resources are shared with all members. There’s no concept of ownership. You find this in a lot of birds, ants are a good example, some species of great ape to an extent.
The other type is the opposite. Not all members gather, and some members seem to believe they own resources as they’re brought in. Lions are a great example, where not only do the men not actively participate in hunting, but they aggressively defend kills and take the largest portions for themselves. And then also another species of great ape that has gone as far as to invent currency just to let a handful of apes control most of it.
Actually all higher primates do capitalism. Bonobos pay with food for sex, Chipanzees pay with support for a higher rank, Orangs pay with food for other orangs making them a bad out of leaves. I suggest to read Barterverse: Galactic Economics 1: Happy Existence
Capitalism isn’t just the trade of goods and services
I think you’re making the common mistake of mixing up voluntary exchange and capitalism. Voluntary exchange, the exchange of goods, money, or services for other goods or services, is a feature of capitalism but it’s not exclusive to it by any stretch of the imagination.
The issue many have with capitalism is capital accumulation, which involves the investment of money or other financial instruments with the goal of receiving a financial return, leading to the increasing concentration and centralization of the means of production into the hands of a small number of rich capitalists.
Using your analogy, it wouldn’t be orangutans paying another for a bed of leaves. It would be orangutan 1 paying orangutan 2 for a bed, who then kept 60% of the food and paid a third orangutan the remaining 40% to make a bed of leaves. Orangutan 2 then gradually uses its food to buy up all the leaves so other orangutans then have to do 100% of the bed making while orangutan 2 gets a cut of the food simply for owning the leaves. Since the other orangutans can no longer make their own beds, the orangutan capitalist increasingly reduces the amount of food it pays them. Eventually orangutan 2 has more food than it needs, but it uses this food to keep accumulating even more food at the expense of other orangutans having less food than they need.
