Yes and in 2019 Musk his claims went even further, when he claimed it was stupid to buy anything but Tesla, because next year (2020) You would be able to make money on it as a RoboTaxi. As I recall it was $200,000.- you should be able to make on a Tesla per year!!! Why he sold them then is a bit strange?
He also claimed that instead of losing value, a Tesla would increase as much as five times in value in a year, because FSD was worth that much.
How this man hasn’t been jailed for fraud years ago is beyond me, I could understand if USA was a corrupt country for the rich… oh…
Never mind.
Yes with Starlink which the military threatened they might nationalize if Musk sabotaged Ukraine access again.
I honestly don’t think Musk’s value as a military contractor is very high, and probably (hopefully) not enough to protect him from criminal liability.
Jesus christ dude. There’s quote from the author himself, Walter Isaacson who is the person from whose book the whole claim originated from.
To clarify on the Starlink issue: the Ukrainians THOUGHT coverage was enabled all the way to Crimea, but it was not. They asked Musk to enable it for their drone sub attack on the Russian fleet. Musk did not enable it, because he thought, probably correctly, that would cause a major war.
You believe him when the narrative suits you but you don’t when it doesn’t. Talk about cognitive dissonance lol
Enabling Starlink in Crimea would have been against the sanctions to Russia by the US. Literally illegal.
Uh-huh… There is a long, LONG list of bullshit that he believed, and continues to believe. There comes a point where we either have to accept that he has the mental level of a 5 year old believing in Santa Claus, or that he is a narcissistic compulsive liar.
It can do that now. Probably not with zero driver interventions especially when talking about a trip across the country but Tesla is the only vehicle manufacturer today that offers this capability. There’s a dude on YouTube doing ridesharing with Tesla using FSD and with the latest software version it completes 90% of the trips from the pickup to the destination without intervention from the driver.
Musk also said more safely than a human being. I’ve seen videos with FSD creating numerous dangerous situations on a single trip, that required quick intervention to avoid collisions. Driving in narrow roads it would suddenly turn into opposite traffic (potentially lethal), not minding right of way in crosses (also potentially lethal), and even turning straight towards parked cars, when the lane it was in was unobstructed!!
Another video I saw, it crossed at a very clear red light!! That’s a very potentially lethal situation.
There is no way it can be reasonably argued that Tesla has working full self driving.
it completes 90% of the trips
You know 90% isn’t even close to being half finished. The next 9% are probably more difficult, and the last percent the most difficult. There’s a reason the hard parts are finished last.
I don’t see anyone claiming they have “working full self driving”. That’s a strawman argument. Their system is really good and years ahead of competition but there’s still a shit ton to improve. That’s why it’s classified as level 2 and not level 3. It’s a vehicle capable of driving itself under supervision but it’s not a self driving vehicle.
I’ve seen videos with FSD creating numerous dangerous situations on a single trip
In the past few months? Because the current software version is completely different than what it used to be. They’ve moved entirely from human code to neural nets and it made a giant improvement in its performance.
I don’t see anyone claiming they have “working full self driving”
The whole thread is about Musk claiming in 2019 that Tesla has FSD working NOW, that could drive the car from a parking lot on the other side of the country (USA) and pick you up in a parking lot where you are. AND that it could drive more safely than a human being.
I am not interested in the slightest whether it 50 or 90% there now, the fact is the claim was made firast in 2016, that Tesla would have it ready NEXT YEAR, and in 2019 hwe claimed it was ready NOW! And it STILL not ready!!
So what is it about Musks claims being false you don’t understand.
I don’t see anyone claiming they have “working full self driving”.
That’s decidedly false, because you yourself wrote:
No it was not, we have testimony from employees that FSD wasn’t even close to what Musk claimed. And it can’t even do it today.
Just because you can flip a switch that says FSD doesn’t mean it works.
Yes and in 2019 Musk his claims went even further, when he claimed it was stupid to buy anything but Tesla, because next year (2020) You would be able to make money on it as a RoboTaxi. As I recall it was $200,000.- you should be able to make on a Tesla per year!!! Why he sold them then is a bit strange?
He also claimed that instead of losing value, a Tesla would increase as much as five times in value in a year, because FSD was worth that much.
How this man hasn’t been jailed for fraud years ago is beyond me, I could understand if USA was a corrupt country for the rich… oh…
Never mind.
Now watch as Musk faces “consequences™”.
Why, he might have to pay a fine of a full hour’s worth of profits that resulted from his actions!?
He’s a military contractor.
Yes with Starlink which the military threatened they might nationalize if Musk sabotaged Ukraine access again.
I honestly don’t think Musk’s value as a military contractor is very high, and probably (hopefully) not enough to protect him from criminal liability.
Misinformation
Yes because snopes is a better source than CNN, WaPo, BBC, AP News, The Hill, Reuters and on and on.
Also he has admitted it himself:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66752264
So why don’t you just butt off with your bullshit already? You are hereby reported.
Jesus christ dude. There’s quote from the author himself, Walter Isaacson who is the person from whose book the whole claim originated from.
You believe him when the narrative suits you but you don’t when it doesn’t. Talk about cognitive dissonance lol
Enabling Starlink in Crimea would have been against the sanctions to Russia by the US. Literally illegal.
Anyway I’m done with you. Don’t bother replying.
I think he truly believed all that. He did not lie, he was wrong about the future. Or at least that would be his legal defense.
I really believed that…
Uh-huh… There is a long, LONG list of bullshit that he believed, and continues to believe. There comes a point where we either have to accept that he has the mental level of a 5 year old believing in Santa Claus, or that he is a narcissistic compulsive liar.
Except he claimed Tesla had the technology working NOW in 2019. Which is a factually false statement not about beliefs.
And that would is probably one of the indicators of why lawsuit is allowed to proceed and might be won in the end.
depends how you define “working” i suppose.
can a tesla drive its full range automomously? probably…
should it? probably not
Musk defined it himself, as the car being able to drive autonomously from a parking lot across the country to pick you up in another parking lot.
It can do that now. Probably not with zero driver interventions especially when talking about a trip across the country but Tesla is the only vehicle manufacturer today that offers this capability. There’s a dude on YouTube doing ridesharing with Tesla using FSD and with the latest software version it completes 90% of the trips from the pickup to the destination without intervention from the driver.
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Oh so it can’t?!
Musk also said more safely than a human being. I’ve seen videos with FSD creating numerous dangerous situations on a single trip, that required quick intervention to avoid collisions. Driving in narrow roads it would suddenly turn into opposite traffic (potentially lethal), not minding right of way in crosses (also potentially lethal), and even turning straight towards parked cars, when the lane it was in was unobstructed!!
Another video I saw, it crossed at a very clear red light!! That’s a very potentially lethal situation.
There is no way it can be reasonably argued that Tesla has working full self driving.
You know 90% isn’t even close to being half finished. The next 9% are probably more difficult, and the last percent the most difficult. There’s a reason the hard parts are finished last.
I don’t see anyone claiming they have “working full self driving”. That’s a strawman argument. Their system is really good and years ahead of competition but there’s still a shit ton to improve. That’s why it’s classified as level 2 and not level 3. It’s a vehicle capable of driving itself under supervision but it’s not a self driving vehicle.
In the past few months? Because the current software version is completely different than what it used to be. They’ve moved entirely from human code to neural nets and it made a giant improvement in its performance.
… They’re literally calling it “Full self driving”.
The whole thread is about Musk claiming in 2019 that Tesla has FSD working NOW, that could drive the car from a parking lot on the other side of the country (USA) and pick you up in a parking lot where you are. AND that it could drive more safely than a human being.
I am not interested in the slightest whether it 50 or 90% there now, the fact is the claim was made firast in 2016, that Tesla would have it ready NEXT YEAR, and in 2019 hwe claimed it was ready NOW! And it STILL not ready!!
So what is it about Musks claims being false you don’t understand.
That’s decidedly false, because you yourself wrote:
and they could do that in theory, just not very safely
In theory is not the same as actually being able to do it, which was what he clearly claimed saying: And we can do that NOW.
Its only not possible on consumer models because of restrictions put in place by tesla.
As evidenced by Elon mode
A tesla can drive its self, but it doesnt because of regulatory/safety/liability reasons
No it was not, we have testimony from employees that FSD wasn’t even close to what Musk claimed. And it can’t even do it today.
Just because you can flip a switch that says FSD doesn’t mean it works.
Are you debating just to debate, or do you just fail to see the obvious issue?