• Adanisi@lemmy.zip
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    Yeah, no.

    It seems that these Americans have discovered that they can’t just ignore the rule of law in other countries.

    Let them deal with the consequences. Let them lose that American exceptionalism.

    Nobody gets a free pass for breaking laws in America, so these Americans shouldn’t get a free pass for breaking laws in other countries.

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      2 months ago

      You recognize the injustice of it, but still some individuals, who have not wronged anyone with their acts, should receive lengthy prison terms because you don’t like the perceived policies of the us.

      Also let’s point out that there is absolutely zero evidence that these people are ‘ignoring’ the law. It seems they are just idiots who made dumb and careless mistakes. You just need to paint it way to justify the completely unjustifiable position of thinking individuals should be punished for the actions of their state.

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        This isn’t punishment for actions of their state lol, this is punishment for their own actions.

        The state didn’t tell them to put bullets in their luggage.

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          This isn’t punishment for actions of their state lol, this is punishment for their own actions.

          Yes, I understand this, and it’s not what I said at all. Not even remotely.

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            You just need to paint it way to justify the completely unjustifiable position of thinking individuals should be punished for the actions of their state.

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              Let me break it down for you:

              Top level poster was saying noone in the us gets a break, so these people from the us should not get a break.

              They think that because the us has bad policies, these people should be punished.

              Their position had less ( or even nothing ) to do with whether these actions should be punishable because they themselves are bad, their position is about them being punished as some kind of pay back for us policy.

      • phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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        No, this has nothing to do with the US.

        If I go to the US, I have to obey US law or go to jail. Similarly, if a US citizen goes to another country, they have to obey THEIR laws. If their laws say you go to jail when you break them, then what are you crying about?

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          No one is saying they shouldnt have to follow the law because they are Americans. People are pointing out that this law is clearly unjust and ridiculous that someone would spend over a decade behind bars for making a dumb mistake. the law isn’t just regardless of what country it is. This is one of the times I have zero problem with the us throwing it’s weight around to protect it’s citizens around the world: to save them from ridiculous punishments for making a mistake.

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            Yeah say that again keeping in mind that the US regularly has killed civilians in the past, sometimes by mistake, sometimes as expected collateral. Sounds a bit hollow, then.

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          This is the only objective point to illustrate. Laws aren’t monolithic across countries. We wouldn’t have countries if they were.

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          Noone is saying they’re exempt from the law, only that it is clearly an injustice that someone go to jail for a decade for making a dumb mistake.

          Do you really think the intent of the law is to send people to jail for accidentally carrying some ammo?

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      2 months ago

      Nobody gets a free pass for breaking laws in America

      You might want to check your notes on that one…

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        The full story is that Turks and Caicos Islands has struggled against gun violence for years, so it passed much stricter gun laws in 2022. American tourists were violating this law by bringing guns and ammunition in their bags, but the courts in all of the previous cases recognized that prison was a harsh punishment for lapses like this, so they’d reduce the sentence to a fine. But it just kept happening, and perhaps in frustration, in February an appeals court ruled that the lower courts could not exercise that kind of discretion.

        Given that those courts had been lowering the penalty to a fine, it seems unlikely that they’ll sentence people to long prison terms. (Any prison time does seem like an overreaction, but it also seems that the country got frustrated and wants to send a message about following its laws.)