Not sure if this is the right community, but I didn’t see a general one. What search engine do you use? Besides Google increasingly spying on its users, the quality of its search results seems to have gotten significantly worse over the last decade. What search engine(s) do you use?
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Does anyone care to explain the possible reason for downvoting this - is there something I am not aware of wrt DDG?
It’s based on Bing from what I recall, and it’s not necessarily the most accurate engine. I tried it for a few months and couldn’t replace Google with it unfortunately.
Thank you for explaining! And now I am getting downvoted for asking an honest question, so that I can learn more, sheesh. Ignoring the fact for the moment that the Fediverse is becoming more Reddi-fied all the time… I appreciate you actually taking the time to answer.
I actually swap back and forth between Google and DDG. For things like local business hours, Image search and Maps, the former finds the better results. For a few things (that it may consider piracy?), Google refuses to find results even on page 10. For most other things, while the SEOs may not have entirely taken over, they at least have risen to an extremely annoying prominence.
e.g. try searching for the word “inspire”, and rather than offer you the dictionary definition, the top hit (for me right now) is the “Inspire” sleep apnea innovation - which nowhere is labelled as an advertisement:-(. I understand that the latter company would like to subvert the normal rules of politeness & etiquette and replace my prioritization so that their name appears at the very tippy-top of the search (possibly locally, or perhaps even world-wide?), but that doesn’t mean that that is what *I* wanted. Which is why more & more often these days I go to DDG first and then Google, rather than the other way around which is what I did until very recently.
But yeah, sometimes I do legit use Google search too.
I agree, unfortunately. The only reason I stick with ddg over Google is because, unlike Google, they don’t smother me with captchas the moment I enter a VPN.
DuckDuckGo
I used to have to put !g (redirect to Google) on like half my searches to get the results I wanted. These days, I actually generally prefer DDG’s results over Google’s.
Same, especially on image searches… but Google’s quality has plummeted to a point Bing is better… how the mighty has fallen.
Many tests have proven that Bing is the best search engine for porn. They know their target audience.
I use DDG too. When I redirect to google using !g it’s usually out of desperation and it gives me the same bad results in a slightly different order.
Searxng.
Searxng
I’m just annoyed by the regions issues, you’ll get pretty biased results depending in what region you select.
If you try to search for something specific to a region with other selected you’ll find sometime empty results, which shows you won’t get relevant results about a search if you don’t properly select the region.Probably this is more obvious with non technical searches, for example my default region is canada-en and if I try “instituto nacional electoral” I only get a wiki page, an international site and some other random sites with no news, only when I change the region I get the official page ine.mx and news. For me this means kagi hides results from other regions instead of just boosting the selected region’s ones.
Yeah that drives me nuts too. Shopping results for fuckin Home Depot? I’m in Europe you stupid search engine
And searching for a german word always brings up dictionaries from german to english, instead of Wikipedia etc.
Their scumbag CEO really soured kagi for me
Explain? I haven’t heard anything negative
I am not affiliated with the writer in any way.
This is one person rambling about stuff she’s hypothesising
“They didn’t pay sales tax for the first couple of years”
Do you even know how small businesses get off the ground in Europe? Possibly by being exempt from taxes until their profits are high enough?
Says their financial information is impossible to find, then starts telling us exactly what that information is
This is the same as people watching a YouTube channel and just assuming it’s gospel because they watch that channel a lot smh
It’s enough to put a bad taste in my mouth, it ended up on HN if you want to read some more critical commentary (of kagi and of the blogger)
if you want to read some more critical commentary
What I read was a measured and reasoned reply from one of the founders to a small handful of keyboard warriors 😂
I read that when it was originally posted and it just comes across as a one-sided account from someone pissed about something, with no actual thought about the situation put into it.
I’m using kagi as well and have been very pleased with it.
I use Ecosia, it plants trees with the profits from its ad revenue! Results are sourced from Bing and Google.
Let me know if you find one that uses AI to find groupings of my search terms in its catalogues instead of using AI to reduce my search to the nearest common searches made by others, over some arbitrary popularity threshold.
Theoretical search: “slip banana peel 1980s comedy movie”
Expected results in 2010: Pages about people slipping on banana peels, mostly in comedy movies, mostly from the 80s.
Expected results in 2024: More than I ever wanted to know about buying bananas online, the health impacts of eating too many or not enough bananas, and whatever “celebrities” have recently said something about them. Nothing about movies from the 80s.slip banana peel 1980s comedy movie
DDG results weren’t too bad, although repetitious and focused on the history of the gag, and not particular examples.
The first result on Kagi search is this list which shows the movie years in parentheses so you can easily skip through just the ones from the 1980s. The other search results are more about the gag itself - first use of it by Charlie Chaplin, etc.
Kagi. I like it
I just started using this and am still in the trial period but I will definitely be paying for it when my 100 free searches are gone. So many top results are exactly what I’m looking for. I can’t believe my expectations have been conditioned to the point where this surprises me…
Yea it hasn’t disappointed me so far, I’m also still in the trial, been waiting for a search that turns crap results on G and DDG to try and put it through the paces. Though compared to G it is nice not having half the results be sponsored.
I’ve heard enough bad things about it to stay well away. Which is too bad bc it’s quite good atm! I just expect it to hoover up my data & get enshittified sooner than later & the CEO is Musk-level BSer 🤷♂️👍
I’m mainly using duckduckgo for 7 years now. If I can’t find something with it, I try startpage, which sometimes helps.
I run my own searxng instance. It’s amazing.
I also spun up my own yacy instance. It was pretty terrible. It could be good, but you would need a pretty beefy machine with a lot of storage and a lot of time for it to index for it to be anything approaching good.
Somehow I’ve never heard of searxng before. Would you say it’s better than DDG? Are the memory requirements not too high?
Searxng is a search engine aggregator. It sends your search out to all the engines and aggregates the results. No ads, no bullshit, endlessly customizable.
You can use one of the public instances. You don’t have to run your own.
Ecosia. These days it’s better than Google.
Which isn’t better than Google these days? They dropped immensly in quality.
Kagi. I haven’t had a failed search results in months, and when I do google can’t find it either so I haven’t lost anything.
A combination of SearXNG and Stract, for the most part. They’re definitely not perfect (yet), but they mostly get the job done! And I think they both have a lot of cool filters and refinement settings that I haven’t even taking advantage of so far.
For niche stuff it seems like a lot of hyper targeted search engines are popping up, like Sepia Search for PeerTube.
Yesterdsy I stumbled over this: www.mojeek.com Apparently has its own index.
this is correct 😀
Mama, look at me. I’m talking to a .com-owner!!
You are awesome for providing an alternative. Would you mind letting me know what’s the average monthly cost running your infrastructure and if you are paying it as individuals ?
Perplexity
I switch back and forth between DDG and Perplexity. When I quickly want to look something up I find Perplexity quite helpful, just get the answer without filtering through search results.
