Hamas says it has launched a rocket attack towards the Tel Aviv area in central Israel for the first time in nearly four months. At least eight rockets were launched from the Rafah area in southern Gaza and several were intercepted, the Israeli military says. No injuries have been reported.
Hamas is just fighting back. Chill bros, it’s just a defensive action.
There’s IDF all around them, but instead they fire the few rockets they have left at a civilian population center.
Terrorists to the bitter end.
Sure would be nice if people in that region stopped attacking civilians at every opportunity.
… not helping.
“Hey! Stop that! Be genocided in peace! How dare you fight back!”
Look, if we’re gonna agree that Israel has been occupying Palestine for decades and abusing them for decades, at a certain point you need to admit that Hamas isn’t 100% at fault. Just like how the USs actions in the Middle East increased extremism and terrorism, so has Israel’s. You can keep murdering mothers and fathers and expect the children to grow up thinking that “peace as dictated by your oppressors” is the solution.
Nobody is ever 100% at fault, life doesn’t work that way. People are interconnected with each other in ways we can never fully disentangle.
The question is how best to move forwards towards peace. And that, is not helped by continuation of violent conflict. 8 rockets towards the Israeli seat of govt isn’t “fighting back”, not vs their air defence. It’s “not enough people have died yet”.
How many rockets has Israel launched? Defending yourself with 8 rockets vs hundreds? Get real
Yes, the oppressed are eager to hurt people any way they can, and nobody can expect it to be any other way.
But still, launching long range missiles isn’t an impulse action. There are so many actors domestic and internationally to do production, procurement, installation, logistics, assembly, that we can assume someone high up has made a strategic decision based on expected outcome.
And the expected outcome is extremely obvious: a) zero tactical gains, and b) more excuses to ignore international pressure and hit Rafah even more brutally.
Or you do nothing and get completely walked all over.
Because what’s your solution? Words aren’t doing shit.
Any action other than assisting the invaders would be an improvement.
I don’t think either of you are wrong. What you are both seeing is a feedback loop. You decide which you want to put first here, but for simplicity’s sake, Israel attacks a threat, which kills people’s innocent loved ones. This creates more people who become a threat by attacking Israel, which results in Israel attacking that threat, and the cycle continues indefinitely.
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Maybe more genocide will make Israel safe. Genocide is the best path to peace and security, right? 🤪
Soo… the battle of Berlin was a genocide against the German people, because the Soviets killed 125000 German civilians besides the enemy combatants.
Is it war when one group is wholly reliant on another for access to food, water, communication, electricity and other forms of aid?
It’s ridiculous to call this a war when there’s such a dependency. Israel wants Palestinians in gaza over the southern border or dead, an ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Not to mention the West Bank, which is not controlled by Hamas, being a center of settler violence and concentration camps for Palestinians.
Some war.
Why is Palestine not a country? When Israel was created, Palestine was supposed to have been officially created too, you know why?
Would you have accepted someone slicing the territory your people lived in as far back as you remember, expelling you from your home and telling you to move someplace else? I wouldn’t have. Perhaps that’s why.
You mean the 1948 partition resolution (which didn’t expel anyone from anywhere) or the 1967 armistice borders? Or do you mean the illegal settlements in the West Bank?
Ah yes, nobody expelled anyone from anywhere in 1948.
The Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948, when Zionist paramilitaries attacked the village of Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, Mandatory Palestine, killing at least 107 Palestinian villagers, including women and children. … The massacre was carried out despite the village having agreed to a non-aggression pact. … was a central component of the Nakba and the 1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight.
Ok, fine, I read up on it and the Nakba was BEFORE the declaration of war by arab states. I think I saw an explanation that said they were expelled because they supported the arab invaders…which was propaganda I guess.
I guess it is a sort of “civil war” of independence, but still pretty fucked up any way you look at it :/
Hasbara bot be gone!
Hamas groupie, grow up!
7 months and you’re still getting this wrong.
Genocide does not have to exterminate everyone to be considered genocide. Erasing the nation is also a definition of genocide; and Netanyahu has publicly admitted to this. His party charter says to eliminate Palestine. He said he will never allow a Palestinian state, and that Palestinians don’t exist and are just Jordanians. His cabinet has toyed with the idea of forcibly deporting all Palestinians. The ICC and ICJ have spelled out how Netanyahu’s policies meet the definition of genocide.
Can we let this falsehood die already?
Grozny 1999
Ramadi/Fallujah/Mossul 2004-2016
Aleppo/Homs 2012-2016
Mariupol/Bakhmut/Avdiivka 2022-2024
Gaza 2024
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So yea, bibi, gvir and the hamas leadership should all rot in jail for war crimes to set an example. assad, putin and bush too.
The Soviets in WWII are not really an image you want to be compared to. They actually did commit multiple genocides in that era. Not against the Germans, I mean they did murder and rape a lot of people, but they were not motivated by the eradication of the German population. Those murders and rapes were “simply” war crimes.
So the battle of Berlin was not a genocide. Katyn and the Holodomor arguably were. Killing innocent civilians is “just” murder, a war crime. When Ben-Gvir speaks of fighting “human animals”, making Gaza a “slaughterhouse” and “erasing the Gaza Strip from the face of the earth”, that makes it into a genocide.
It’s the motivation, especially the explicit, professed motivation of the leadership that makes what Israel - and by the way, also Hamas, though less successfully - is doing genocide, not just “normal” war crimes.
Yea, there are a number of guys in the Israeli government that should answer for war crimes too, particularly that fanatic gvir.
Not the best path, but … eventually.
People without a state fighting for their right to be a state shoots rockets at country that they are at war with.
Kiev shoots rockets into Russia and everyone gets it.
I’m anti-war as much as the next person but I can understand that a besieged people will act like they are under seige.
In Ukraine’s case russia is guilty of both the crimes of hamas and Israel:
russia has the intent to wipe out their neighbour and wiping out Ukrainian identity from the region (like hamas wants to wipe out Israel)
as well as
levelling whole cities with massive civilian casualties without regard for human life (like Israel is doing).
There is no equivalence.
You’re living in fantasy land. Israel is wiping Palestinians off the planet, actions > words.
There is absolutely equivalence, both are besieged and their actions are understandable at the state level. Fight back to your oppressors.
So you think what hamas did on Oct 7th was to “Fight back to your oppressors”? You’re the one living in fantasy land.
I did not say that and wouldn’t. Israel created the conditions for Hamas to come to power.
In all discussions I’ve had about this, the root of the whole issue that fractures discourse is: should Israel disappear or not?
I think not (even if the original partition plan was too utopic and inviting a disaster), so the best Palestinians will ever get is what was in the original partition agreement, which you just have to accept peacefully, not with war, war declarations make palestine lose ground e.g. 1967 borders. I’m sure if a Palestinian government (not fucking hamas) recognized Israel, they’d get their state tomorrow, but this was never accepted, sooo…
if instead ou think Israel should disappear or turn into an ungovernable fractured state like Lebanon, like hamas wants, then…“fight back to your oppressors” and you’ll have endless war.
Whether it should or not, I think the fact needs to be accepted that Israel won’t disappear and the question now is whether or not Palestinians get to, at the very least, have the West Bank and Gaza as an independent nation. I hope they get more than that, but Israel is not going to disappear. A two state solution is, I hope, something that will eventually be reached.
I think the wast majority of the world agrees with this. It’s even the US’ official position.
Kiev …
Yes, it’s the Russian spelling, but it was the widespread on English language maps for decades. It’s an easy mistake to make. Kyiv is preferred, sure, but the actual name is Київ.
It’s 2024. The naming has significance and to ignore that is disrespectful, and communicates a pro Russian invasion stance.
Kiev shoots rockets into Russia and everyone gets it.
“Kiev” eh, tovarisch? Ukraine doesn’t bomb residential targets. Palestinians should have their own country but don’t defend what Hamas are doing here.
Ukraine fires rockets at military targets. Hamas fires rockets at civilian population centers. Most people get the distinction.
