• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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    11 days ago

    Allah: “As faithful Muslims, I command you to make a pilgrimage to the desert in the middle of June.”

    Muslims: “Yes, O Lord!” [Proceed to die of heat exhaustion.]

    Allah: “Ha ha! Fuck you!” [Goes off to hang out with the virgins those guys didn’t get for not dying as martyrs.]

    Sorry… just trying to imagine how many people of any deistic faith wouldn’t have unnecessarily killed themselves over the centuries if they just accepted their god didn’t exist.

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      10 days ago

      Jew constantly whining about people being uninformed about antisemitism spreads blatantly uninformed Islamophobia

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        10 days ago

        “Jew” can refer a person’s religion, but can also be an ethnicity. “Islam” is a religion and not an ethnicity. I couldn’t give less of a shit if you make fun of the Jewish religion. Do it all you like. It’s a moronic religion.

        So the religion of Islam? Yeah, I’ll mock it. Arab culture? Nigerian culture? Malaysian culture? No. I won’t mock that.

        You don’t choose your ethnicity. You choose your religion.

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          Jew is not an ethnicity. The “Jew as a race” was invented by the Nazis. https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/are-jews-a-race/

          When your knowledge of Islam is 2002 Fox News it would be a great idea to not type comments on the internet. Or at least get slightly informed beforehand because everything you are saying is comically stupid and actually incredibly racist.

          Only able bodied people are commanded to make the Pilgrimage once in their lifetime. Nobody is commanded to die for it. Most of the deaths are unregistered people that did not pass a health check.

          But this new mythical Atheist belief that God will let nobody that’s on God’s path die is incredibly weird.

          When you read almost any religion you will find even the prophets, the people selected by God, had many hardships and many people died in battles and even of sicknesses. God did not give them an autowin and invincibility by being on his side. Would make for incredibly boring stories too.

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            9 days ago

            Why do you think you get to define who I am?

            Also, good luck convincing people that the atheist Larry David is not a Jew.

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              I hate to break it to you but this definition of Jew it’s just a racist way to describe Eastern Europeans. Your ancestors were likely Ashkenazi Jews. Polish or Ukrainian or Romanian or Russian etc. Ashkenazim would be a way to describe yourself. Not “Jewish”, as you say you are not a Jew.

              This is akin to conflating Muslims with Arabs. Very easy and convenient for people that don’t know better. Used to be true most of the time, but factually not correct. Many TV shows and Muslims self-described all Arabs as Muslims. In the 90’s and 2000’s nobody cared about using the correct naming for things and racist misnomers were fine. Larry David used to play religiously Jewish characters all the time he didn’t mind the trope.

              But most people now understand these are not the same and 2000’s entertainment was not an accurate representation of reality. Just a racist one.

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                Again, good luck convincing people that Larry David, an atheist, is not a Jew.

                Also, telling people they do not have the right of self-identity would be against our civility rules for me just as much as it would be for a trans person, so I would suggest this road would be a bad one for you to go down.

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        10 days ago

        “Muslim” is not a race. It’s a religion. Unless you think Nigerians and Malaysians are the same in terms of race.

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            10 days ago

            I don’t understand what you are suggesting.

            Are you saying Nigerians and Malaysians are the same in terms of race or are you denying that they are Muslims?

            Because I can’t figure out a third option.

            Edit: Ah, I see. The third option is that you’re a troll account.

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    10 days ago

    This is mostly because people are dumbasses.

    People who went the official route, getting a permit and going through a company were ok as they stayed in air conditioned places most the time. These people spend upwards of $5k and much more.

    People who couldn’t afford it went through unofficial routes and were forced to sleep outside and had to walk everywhere and even some had to sneak into makkah through the fucking desert.

    Islam doesn’t force people to go through pilgrimage unless they can do it both physically and monetarily. Also even of the ones that went through the official route MANY of them are super old with medical conditions and shouldn’t have even boarded the plane.

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      “Regrettably, the number of mortalities reached 1,301, with 83% being unauthorised to perform hajj and having walked long distances under direct sunlight, without adequate shelter or comfort,” the official Saudi Press Agency (SPA) reported.

      https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/23/hajj-pilgrimage-death-toll-extreme-heat-mecca-saudi-arabia

      That’s still 200+ deaths who were registered. And my understanding of Saudia Arabia in this context is that they don’t always permit Muslims from certain countries, so they have no choice if they want to make their pilgrimage. This is a once in a lifetime event that some people may plan out years in advance. I don’t think it’s fair to blame them for not registering, especially when in some cases they can’t.

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      10 days ago

      This is mostly because people are dumbasses

      Yes, they went on life-threatening journey because “god”.