• CodeBlooded@programming.dev
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    2 months ago

    Mandating UTC everywhere and eliminating the concept of time zones altogether is all a political candidate needs to do in order to earn my vote in 2024.

    Seriously, what is the point of time zones? The only explanation I’ve ever heard is “well if we didn’t have time zones, half the world would be expected to be awake when it’s dark out!” No. We could all just literally adjust the times of our business operations based around when daylight is usual for the different geographic regions as they have the sun shine on them. The physical “zones” of time zones could remain the same, and in those zones “noon” would just mean something other than “12:00.” “Noon” for one region could be 2300 while what is considered “noon” for another region could be 1800.

    (And for my next rant: why the 24 hour clock is superior to the 12 hour clock… reason number 1? There’s 24 hours in a day…)

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      What you’re proposing is literally time zones but without shifting the actual clock, you still end up with all the issues and you remove the link between the hour of day and the sun’s position for people lol

      Plus who gets to decide that everyone switches over and what is the new global time?

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        Yes, this is literally what I’m proposing.

        You do not still end up with the same issues. Somebody booking a ticket for a hotel room to be available at 1300 from a different time zone than said hotel will not arrive at the hotel to learn that the check in time is different from their expectation.

        Regarding “the link between the hour of the day and the sun’s position,” I’m asserting that we should recalibrate this expectation based on time zones, rather than changing the clock to some fictitious time based on “noon” always equaling “1200.”

        who gets to decide that everyone switches over and what is the new global time?

        “Global time” in this context is already decided to be UTC. And no one gets to decide on the switch. This is a dream that will never come to fruition. 😕

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          Haha, let’s inconvenience 99.9% of humans so some programmers have a slightly easier life. I’ve had my share of frustration with time zones, but this change is so enormous, that it’s in no way appropriate.

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            I don’t think it’s actually realistic that this would ever change at this point in the game. I do think we could have adapted to all using UTC if we never started with time zones in the first place.

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            Yes. Many people already work shifts that have them do exactly that (show up to work on Monday, go home on Tuesday).

            My first job had me work all sorts of shifts. Anything other than the day shift, I was showing up early or late evening one day, and leaving work early or late morning the next day.

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      Implementing such a change has another problem: Who gets to have the time-zone that’s noon at noon?

      Are we going to let the British continue to get away with it? Even the excuse of “that’s the way it has to be to keep things simple” would cause the French to revolt. Again. They still don’t like to talk about the fact that it’s Greenwich and not Paris that’s the prime meridian.

      Swatch’s “Internet time” was a decimal system designed to mitigate the problem because no-one would have any idea what the old time was supposed to be, but people are used to the base-60 system. It didn’t and won’t catch on.

      And it doesn’t fix the “0 isn’t my midnight” problem, which is pretty close to the original.

      It also doesn’t fix the “what time of day is it elsewhere in the world” problem, which still requires knowledge of time differences. You know. Time zones.

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          I never said the time zone was GMT, only that the meridian is Greenwich. Subtle, yes, but if the meridian for UTC isn’t the one running through Greenwich, let me know.

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            Actually you only mentioned timezone “who gets to have the time zone where noon is directly overhead” and then went into a rant about England vs France. You never once mentioned the meridian.

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              They still don’t like to talk about the fact that it’s Greenwich and not Paris that’s the prime meridian.

              But sure, I didn’t explicitly connect the dots.

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                We’re talking about this: “Who gets to have the time-zone that’s noon at noon?”

                That established the context that we are talking about time zones.

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        Who gets to have the time-zone that’s noon at noon

        I am asserting that we abandon this concept of “noon” having to be precisely when the pixels on the my clock take the form of “12:00”.

        Who cares? Just let “noon” be whatever mid-day is where you live.

        0 isn’t my midnight

        Same thing, why does it matter? Why do people cling to this? Midnight should be when you are mid-way through the night, regardless of what time a clock shows.

        It also doesn’t fix the “what time of day is it elsewhere in the world” problem, which still requires knowledge of time differences. You know. Time zones.

        I don’t have time zones memorized, so I have to look up this information when I need to know it anyway. I did say in my post that the [time] “zones” would still exist if I had my way with UTC. I do still think it’s valuable to know the operating hours for different parts of the earth- I just think we can track this without having to have the madness that is time zones. However, while answering this, I do feel what you’re saying. Perhaps we do keep time zones, but only as a way to tell time that is secondary to UTC? (As compared to today, where UTC is often an afterthought, if people even think about it at all.)

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          Stealing from another commenter: Are you OK with referring to days of the week as Tuesday/Wednesday, or do you propose abandoning day names altogether? If you say your local day is Tuesday which doesn’t align with someone else’s Tuesday, you’ve still got the old time-zone problem just at a coarser grain.

          As for “secondary time” yes. That’s called local time. Which is what the initial proposal was trying to be rid of.

          Now riddle me this: What time do you have your computer’s motherboard set to?

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        Plus people would go to work on a Tuesday but come home on Wednesday. Lol it would be an accounting nightmare.

        “Well the books for this company closed on the 1st, but the books for this other department within the company closed on the 2nd”.

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      So organising a meeting for 03:30 has the problem of that not being working hours for some people, and you have to look up what working hours are in each area. What problem is that supposed to solve?