Vance is one of Trump’s most vocal supporters and an outspoken critic of U.S. aid to Ukraine.

. . .

Vance has said that it would be “completely irresponsible” for Ukraine to join NATO. He has also argued for the U.S. to focus solely on preventing Chinese expansion, even if that means sacrificing sovereign Ukrainian lands to Russia.

“Any peace settlement is going to require some significant territorial concessions from Ukraine, and you’re gonna have a peace deal, because that’s the only way out of the conflict,” Vance said in February.

MBFC
Archive

    • Jamil@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 months ago

      He still wants to send all the aid Israel will not ever want to commit genocide.

      • StaySquared@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        5 months ago

        Unfortunately the U.S. belongs to Israel.

        And fkin lol @ people downvoting:

        No more war.

        No more foreign aid.

        We need to focus on Americans and America.

        Holy moly, some of yall are insufferable.

        • Prandom_returns@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          5 months ago

          If you think US can sustain itself without foreign products, you’re high on your own farts. Open a window to the basement, get some fresh air.

              • StaySquared@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                edit-2
                5 months ago

                You jumped to the conclusion that I’m asking for some kind of self imposed trade embargo. You’re pretending to, “think one little step ahead”… you fkin with a game of checkers, I’m on 4D Chess. GTFO. lmao

      • StaySquared@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        5 months ago

        Can you expand on that? Seems conflicting.

        A policy of no war, no foreign aid and especially focusing on America and everything in it… how did that lead to world wars?

        • Rowan Thorpe@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          5 months ago

          I’ll answer the “why would it now lead to disaster” part, and by shuffling names, places, & contexts around I believe much of that can be obliquely backported to the same question with respect to runup to the world wars of yore.

          USA’s multi-decade cultural imperialism and dogged pursuit of economic hegemony led to it imposing itself as a global barometer and gatekeeper (despite being famously incompetent at both). The upshot is that now, even though philosophically it would be wonderful for the US to finally stop enforcing a petrodollar-driven serfdom on so much of the world in the name of “infinite (US economic) expansion”, pragmatically speaking a magical and abrupt “pull out” would be wildly irresponsible, much like yanking an arrow out of a wound in the direction from which it entered (causing a Jackson Pollock’s worth of collateral damage). That would largely be because the sudden power vacuum would not be able to be filled in time by other countries (who are under-resourced due to aforementioned hegemonic squeezing), leaving not enough people to “not tolerate the intolerant”, leading to explosive expansion of the “ignorant bullies masquerading as politicians” brigade (not unlike Hitler’s opportunistic power-grab while the politicians who should have been the ballwark against him hubristically sat on their hands). See: https://www.ournationalconversation.org/post/explaining-the-paradox-of-tolerance

          • StaySquared@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            5 months ago

            Well, the U.S. doesn’t have to worry about enforcing the petro-dollar, because the Global South is pulling away from the petro-dollar. The U.S. is going to have to start looking into opening up those oil reserves that Biden closed and bringing jobs back to America that were exported to other nations. Self sufficiency, at least more so than current, needs to be the goal. The world, outside of the Western World, is turning its back on the U.S. and rightfully so… sooner or later so too will the Western Powers turn their backs on the U.S.

            I agree though that an abrupt pullout like Biden did in Afghanistan is a stupid fkin idea and should be done gracefully.

            • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              edit-2
              5 months ago

              Manufacturing jobs, and most other low wage jobs, never left the US. That is a lie fed to you by your wage slave masters. The US currently manufactures 300% more products than we did in 1972 which was the last year of the golden age of the 20th century US. The wage slave masters automated those jobs, so we do triple the production with 1/100 the workforce.

              We are already self sufficient. Isolationism will not help any of your stated goals, and will cause global instability.

              • StaySquared@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                5 months ago

                So I work in the IT industry… almost everything IT related, some portion of it has been exported overseas. Same goes for the customer service industry.

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 months ago

      Vance doesn’t want that, he just wants out of this particular conflict so he can start shit somewhere else.

  • andxz@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    5 months ago

    I’ve been on the outside observing this escalating shit show for 8 years now and I think I’ve finally reached the point where I don’t even have the words to convey what I feel about the current state of American politics.

    I mean, I know there’s a lot of history behind it etc., but just the past months? I don’t even…

    I hope shit gets better for ya’ll, I sincerely do.

  • VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    5 months ago

    I’m not complaining. Only way I’d be happier with his VP pick is if he took up Rubio and forced him to give up Florida.

    Vance is also a snake and he’ll backstab the orange man at some point most likely.

    • PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 months ago

      Vance is a cuck. He was a harsh critic of Trump until he wasn’t.

      I don’t see how Vance gets Trump any extra votes. They appear to attract the same kind of people.

      If they win, it gets Vance out of my state. Which is fine (I voted for Tim Ryan).

      • irotsoma@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        5 months ago

        Vance is there so Trump can scapegoat him for handing Putin everything he wants, that’s about it.

        • rekorse@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          5 months ago

          Lol this passive aggressive nonsense is the most american thing in this thread. If you people dont stop having your own opinion, us white folk might just stop funding your little projects! How big and important you are, we definitely wouldnt want to offend you.

          • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            edit-2
            5 months ago

            I’m not going to be passive aggressive about it, there’s a simple reality at play here.

            Lemmy is FOSS, so the moment that these tankies try to give themselves some backdoor or whatever to gain undue influence over the system, it will be discovered, forked and everyone will switch and they will be left out in the cold with nothing.

            Maybe that’ll happen, maybe it won’t. Maybe they’ll get sick of only running pariah instances and take their ball and go home, except we can make a copy of their ball and keep going.

            That’s why I’m happy to use the system, it’s an open ecosystem and no individual developer has the power to torpedo it, even if they are the founders. Their authoritarian tendencies can’t do that much damage in the long run.

            • rekorse@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              5 months ago

              I was more talking about how you made it sound like the founders of lemmy are upset with the user base of it as a whole, and then said they are fake founders anyways because the real work was done before them by others, and then said if they keep it up (never said what they were doing to begin with) SOME PEOPLE wink**wink will stop supporting them financially.

              Its just dripping with self importance and arrogance. Its an extremely american thing to assume that your viewpoint is the only valid and logical one.

              • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                5 months ago

                You have me confused with someone else.

                How very like a tankie to be unable to follow the basic and obvious facts of a situation. That’s necessary to become a tankie.

                • rekorse@lemmy.world
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  Yeah I assumed the person defending the OP was the OP, my bad. What’s your excuse for being an asshat? Internet tough guy? You sound so big and in charge when you talk like that you know. Do you talk to strangers like that in person too? Can you share your other qualities so I can copy them? You are obviously an amazing person so please help me.

    • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 months ago

      Tankies hate JD Vance too. The only reason he wants peace in Ukraine is to start shit with China. We tankies don’t want to make peace in one place just to fight somewhere else, we want peace and deescalation all over the globe.

        • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          edit-2
          5 months ago

          It’s wild how eager people are to look at the exact same people who lied us into Iraq and Afghanistan and say, “Yeah, I trust them to have the people’s best interests at heart when they lead us into another conflict.”

          • Prandom_returns@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            5 months ago

            Not everybody on Lemmy is American and bound to American news. Some of us live near russia and know first-hand about what it is and what it isn’t.

            I know, you americans are really good at “doing your own research”.

            • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              edit-2
              5 months ago

              Not everyone who went into Iraq or Afghanistan was an American either, the leaders of plenty of other countries supported it too.

              Also we’re talking about American politician JD Vance and what he wants to do regarding US foreign policy, so the history of US foreign policy is obviously relevant.

              • Prandom_returns@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                0
                ·
                edit-2
                5 months ago

                I’m not talking about JD Vance. I’m talking about very convenient to tankies and ruskies “we want peace and deescalation” when Ukraine is devoured by an imperialist, authoritarian shithead.

                But again, you’re a self-proclaimed tankie, of course your gobbling authoritarian dick.

                • OBJECTION!@lemmy.ml
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  0
                  ·
                  5 months ago

                  Can’t think of a time in history where both sides in a war didn’t claim it was about defense and security, whether it was or not. I remember when they said “Either we fight them over there or we’ll have to fight them here,” and went off to kill a million people in the Middle East, and then they lost, and now, where are all the terror attacks they said would happen? I remember too (though I’m not old enough to have lived through it) when they said if we didn’t go out and kill 4 million people in Vietnam, they’d keep expanding all over and eventually we’d be fighting them here. Well, we lost that one too, and nothing bad happened afterward. So forgive me if I’m just a little bit skeptical of the latest pretext for pouring ridiculous sums of money into the pockets of defense contractors so the rich can get richer while our schools, roads, and hospitals decline further and further into dysfunction.

                  I am a tankie, yes, because tankies seem to be the only people interested in spending less money on tanks and more on human wellbeing.

  • UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    5 months ago

    Its very easy to see that Putin is running the GOP.

    At this point it looks like they are competing on who in the GOP can suck up to the russians the most

  • InternetUser2012@lemmy.today
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    5 months ago

    Can you imagine this clown being president when the rapist with 34 felonies is deemed unfit for office or has a McHeartattack?

  • Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    5 months ago

    This is Trump’s exact stance as well. He’s been VERY clear about this, but idiots in the conservative camp seem to deliberately ignore it.

    • Akuden@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 months ago

      Not everyone who disagrees with war or your position on it is deep throating Putin.

        • Akuden@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          5 months ago

          Not wanting to fund a war doesn’t mean they hate Ukraine or it’s citizens.

          • Prandom_returns@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            0
            ·
            5 months ago

            Okay, let me walk you through this.

            You see a kid down on the floor being kicked by a bully.

            Your ‘solution’ is to not intervene, because you’re ‘against violence’ ?

            Fucking logic.

            • Akuden@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              edit-2
              5 months ago

              Right!

              Except the kid is across the world, and we don’t know them very well. Last we heard, they were one of the worst children in the world. Instead of asking the neighbors to pool money to build a boat to go save this kid, you go to all your neighbors and steal that money.

              Fuckin’ a logic.

      • lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        5 months ago

        But someone that blatantly argues for Russia’s benefit probably has some ulterior motives. Doesn’t have to be deep throating Putin, money will probably do.

        • Krauerking@lemy.lol
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          ·
          5 months ago

          I mean it sounds like he wants chea p Russian labor and goods to compete with Chinese versions of the same.

          He’s a Republican. He just wants to personally get rich and doesn’t consider or care what happens to other people on the way to it. Sacrificing half a country that isn’t his so that an oligarchy can turn around and sell back the oil, gas and coal of the land and potentially farm goods at a cheaper slave labor produced price sounds like shrewd business practice to him probably and figures it would get him on the good side of Putin a man with powerful connections.

          He misses the mark that China and Russia are working together and you can’t really separate that to get one to hurt more than the other. But that’s getting to much in the weeds of his plans.

          I know it’s hard but people generally aren’t some evil spy or some terrible monster aiming to cause destruction. A lot are just people. Self centered and uncaring of the pain they cause and sure they didn’t do anything wrong cause it was supposed to work out for them. People don’t need to get paid first to be awful.

            • Krauerking@lemy.lol
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              0
              ·
              5 months ago

              Everyone uses third person pronouns to refer to Vance and the suddenly you can’t figure it out when faced with a counter argument?

              Really? Are you for real?

      • SSJMarx@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        say something obviously true

        85% downvotes

        oh yeah, it’s .world time

  • ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    0
    ·
    5 months ago

    This presupposes he believes in anything. I haven’t read it because everyone said it was garbage but I’m pretty sure he wrote his memoir about “Appalachia” when he grew up near Dayton, OH.

    • SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 months ago

      I read it. It was not garbage, it contains useful insights. I recommend that people read it to understand politics. BUT, NOTE, CAVEAT: Approach it with your critical thinking cap on. The author is an unreliable narrator, which is unorthodox in a work of non-fiction.

      • Excrubulent@slrpnk.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        5 months ago

        “Unreliable narrator […] in a work of non-fiction” is a fascinating way to say, “liar”.

    • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 months ago

      He also cosplayed a poor person to speak to rich people about how “We poor people have horrible habits!” in what I can only refer to as a minstrel show for the privileged.

    • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      ·
      5 months ago

      He also cosplayed a poor person to speak to rich people about how “We poor people have horrible habits!” in what I can only refer to as a minstrel show for the privileged.