• WatDabney@sopuli.xyz
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    3 months ago

    Hot take - while it’s obviously greedy for the publishers to be charging for this, the real problem is the idiots who are paying.

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      3 months ago

      Right?

      Companies would never employ predatory behaviour to prey on customers, and have never had to be regulated before. It really is the customer’s fault for engaging.

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        Yes - it really is the customers’ fault.

        It’d be different if games were a necessity - then the idea of “predatory” behavior would be relevant, since we’d be talking about someone taking advantage of the fact that the consumer has to buy the thing in question.

        But games aren’t a necessity - not even close - so any consumer is at any time entirely free to say no to any transaction without suffering any meaningful ill effects.

        And any consumers who, in such a situation, do not say no to a bad deal have nobody to blame but themselves.

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          3 months ago

          While I, to some extent, agree with you; it is predatory behaviour by those companies and I don’t like it.
          And some people are weak to such practices. Customers have to be protected from themselves to some extent, as has been shown in other industries.

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          3 months ago

          And any consumers who, in such a situation, do not say no to a bad deal have nobody to blame but themselves.

          Do you suppose that choosing not to wear a seatbelt, a very bad deal, should be left entirely up to individuals, um, “stupid” enough to take it?

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                3 months ago

                I would say that there’s almost nothing that demonstrates more contempt for one’s fellow man than decreeing that they shouldn’t even be allowed to make their own choices.

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                  A plastic casing over a table saw “limits what choices a person can make.” This is a very anti-covid-vaccine argument you’re making.

                  But that’s fine. I suppose being victim to an unregulated casino means you deserve to rot in Rancho Charleston or whatever.

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                    3 months ago

                    It’s amusing and revealing that at no point here have you actually directly addressed anything that I’ve actually said. Instead, you’ve just used what I’ve said as a jumping off point for a ludicrously exaggerated, barely relevant and deliberately insulting strawman.

                    Here’s a challenge for you - instead of leaping from strawman to strawman in this vain effort to somehow prove that I’m a horrible person and therefore wrong, go all the way back to the beginning here and frame a positive argument for your position. Tell me exactly why and on what basis (as appears to be your position) publishers should be prohibited from charging extra for early access, and what nominal public good that would serve.

                    As a bonus, you might also try to explain how the position that publishers should be allowed to charge extra for early access is in any way “a very anti-covid-vaccine argument.” I’m especially curious about that one.

                    Feel free to take your time

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            Nobody’s safety is at risk here, it’s just people who can’t wait 3 days paying more money. It’s bullshit that companies will have a completed game but delay releasing it so people can pay extra for " early on release access" but the solution is simple: don’t pay for it.

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              Nobody’s safety is at risk here

              Correct. Very astute.

              but the solution is simple: don’t pay for it.

              Sure. But of course, the point of doing that is to suggest to companies that this is naughty behavior. This is naughty behavior, isn’t it?

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                I do believe I did call it bullshit in the post you’re replying to. However, people paying for it implies acceptable behavior, doesn’t it?

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        Many people are bad at delayed gratification. It’s a little strange to me. Like, I occasionally do impulse buys, but some people are just like “omg I need this sparkly horse armor preorder bonus or I’LL DIE”

        I don’t know if that’s a skill that can be taught or what.

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      Agreed, I don’t blame the publishers for this. It’s clearly working on some amount of population that makes it worthwhile when they do the spreadsheets. The only beta game I’ve purchased recently lets you self-host servers and I was happy with the state it was in even if it was dropped and died all together. I refuse to purchase just about anything else that is still in “beta” or “early access”. I remember when “Beta” meant “download this game and play it… If you like it you can buy it next month”.

      It’s that population that actively makes games worse for all of us as publishers can choose to just be lazy. I was stupid happy when BG3 got the praise it got on launch. That’s what it used to be… that’s how it should be.

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        It’s that population that actively makes games worse for all of us

        That’s exactly why I don’t cut them any slack. Their dumb choices don’t just harm themselves - they harm me and all other gamers, insofar as they’ve made it so that publishers can get away with putting out unfinished, buggy, unbalanced crap.

        Sure - the gamers might spend a while ineffectually bitching on forums and handing out 1 star reviews, but that’s just meaningless noise. The ONLY thing that matters to the publishers is whether or not people buy the game, and those dunderheads not only buy the game - they line right up to buy the next one too.

        Or, now, line right up to pay extra for early access to the next one.