• Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz
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    5 months ago

    I’m very conflicted about this whole thing. On the one hand, yeah it’s kind of a scandal and people have every right to be booing him every time he touches the ball.

    On the other hand, he was convicted, sentenced, did time and is now back in society apparently showing remorse. People are calling for his career to end and various wishes of death on him. Why can’t he continue his life?

    Are we supposed to lock up all criminals forever? Kill them? Just not allow them to follow their chosen career after getting out? Or is it just sports they shouldn’t be allowed to participate in?

    • Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world
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      5 months ago

      It’s a good thing the court of public opinion still has a voice and doesn’t approve of child rapists quite so heartily as the Dutch government. What “time” did he do - like 11months? And he was never remorseful in the slightest. If his only real punishment is going to be him and his country getting booed by the world at the Olympics, I’m happy there’s at least that.

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        5 months ago

        “I can’t reverse it, so I have to carry the consequences. It’s the biggest mistake of my life.”

        Source: The article linked in the OP

        If that’s not remorse, I don’t know what is.

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          Remorse: “I am sorry for what I did and the impact it had on the victim. I made stupid choices that hurt another person, and while I can never take that back, I will seek to do better so no one needs to suffer from my actions again.”

          Not sorry you did it, just sorry you got caught: “I can’t reverse it, so I have to carry the consequences. It’s the biggest mistake of my life.”

      • Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz
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        5 months ago

        What do you mean? He served 13 months and got out on parole. He’s publicly expressed remorse, but that isn’t exactly conclusive. I assume there would have been some genuine remorse inside, otherwise there would be no parole.

        My point is, if you stop anyone who has been to jail returning to normal society at all, then why let them out at all? You might as well just put every criminal in jail for life, or just kill them straight away.

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          5 months ago

          You might as well just put every criminal in jail for life, or just kill them straight away.

          Just the child rapists is fine with me. There’s no reforming that.

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      5 months ago

      he can continue his life, but get the fuck out of public positions like this if youre a fucking pedo rapist

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      5 months ago

      apparently showing remorse

      He showed no remorse. He called it nonsense. He said he made mistakes as a youth. He has not even bothered to offer anything in the way of an apology.

      • Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz
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        5 months ago

        I also saw those statements on his wiki. Also saw some about it being “the worst mistake of his life”. I don’t imagine he would get parole without showing remorse.

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          You don’t imagine? Well then that proves it. He’s very sorry he raped a 12-year-old girl over and over even though he’s never said so in public.

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            5 months ago

            With this kind of conservative mindset, how can you ever believe the US of A will become anywhere close to progressive? Or aren’t you voting Trump next election?

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              The “conservative mindset” that someone who raped a 12-year-old over and over should, at the very least, make a public apology before being allowed to join their Olympic team?

              You’re right, that’s a total MAGA position. Trump 2024!

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                Well the way you’re speaking fits that MAGA profile perfectly. How can you believe in a progressive future if you keep spouting conservative beliefs? Everything you have said, in this thread, is the typical MAGA barf. Because it sounds like you don’t believe in governments.

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                  Absolutely. We all know what big fans of public apologies MAGA people are.

                  And, of course, suggesting someone who raped a 12-year-old girl multiple times should make a public apology before being allowed on an Olympic volleyball team definitely means I don’t believe in governments.

                  It’s amazing how you’ve gotten me totally right so far.

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                    Well it’s no surprise how you are mistaking how right (wing) you truly are.

                    I have the impression you like repeating those exact words too, like a sicko.

                    Edit: It’s that exact same lack of awareness, if you’d ask me.

    • Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world
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      I’m not conflicted. I’m not saying he should be in jail forever. But I’m also saying it’s clear that he shouldn’t be representing his country on the world stage. That’s a privilege you should lose forever when you rape a child. Cause remember, going to the Olympics is a privilege, not a right. It’s like yeah he served your time, would you let him babysit your daughter now then? Or let him hang out at schools? You gotta forgive, but you’re stupid if you forget

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        There’s a system in place for that. It’s called ‘verklaring omtrent gedrag’. For many jobs and positions you need this certificate of conduct in order to apply. The ministry of justice will not hand out the certificate if your crime is related to the position you apply for. This means he would probably never be allowed to work at a school for instance.

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      5 months ago

      Why can’t he continue his life?

      Because he raped a child. The only olympic event he should have been allowed to participate in was competitive shooting, as a target.

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      First of all, not all crimes are the same nor should be treated equally.

      Secondly, he raped a 12 year old, and that’s unredeemable in a lot of people’s book.

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      I agree with you pretty much on all points.

      I am also conflicted.

      It’s up to courts and parole boards to determine what punishments are appropriate, given the context of the crimes.

      I don’t like the guy, and of course his crime was repugnant, but I can still acknowledge that he’s one of the best volleyball players in the world. These two opinions are incongruous and yet, they exist at the same time.

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        For me, there’s a difference between rehabilitation and letting someone represent your country at the olympics. Athletes don’t have to be perfect but to a certain extent they are ambassadors of their country and role models.

        This paired with him not staying in prison for long because the Dutch legal system is fucking abysmal is reason enough for me to celebrate that he’s out.

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        My thought is more along the lines of, “Regardless of his talent level, is this really the kind of person that his country wants representing them on the world stage?”

        Like, okay even if he’s the absolute best by an order of magnitude…if he were from my country, I’d rather lose every match than win on the talents of someone like that.

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      On the other hand, he was convicted, sentenced, did time and is now back in society apparently showing remorse.

      He flew to England, raped a 12 yo, got convicted by the English for 4 years. He was deported back to Netherlands, they dropped it to 1 year.

      This isn’t justice.

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      On the other hand, he was convicted, sentenced, did time and is now back in society apparently showing remorse.

      He hardly did any time at all. Frankly you do more time for a parking ticket. Also when did he show remorse like whenever has he ever shown any remorse at all?

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      It’s simple really.

      His judgement, sentencing and punishment satisfy the needs of the law. the law has done it’s part (arguably terribly in this case) and is at rest.

      This is vastly different than the judgement bright forth by the court of public opinion. They are not so forgiving.

      Perhaps that’s something the dude should have thought about before doing what he did

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      5 months ago

      How about “not put them representing your country, where other people might understand that as an endorsement as see him as a role model”.

      There is shades of grey between “killing him” and “send him to the Olympics”.