With Google’s recent monopoly status being a topic a discussion recently. This article from 2017 argues that we should nationalize these platforms in the age of platform capitalism. Ahead of its time, in fact the author predicted the downfall of Ello.

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    1 month ago

    We need to split them, kill them, do whatever it takes to scatter the power they’ve accumulated.

    They , as in people holding that power, want to nationalize them, because it simplifies the system they have already built for themselves.

    Both Harris’ program and such articles are all in the same direction. “Corps are fine, they just should be state-controlled and their services affordable”.

    No. People who want this are power-hungry fools, and despite their feeling of victory factually achieved and only waiting to be formalized, they will get fucked and this will fail.

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      1 month ago

      Governments are bad; I get it.

      But is it tiring to constantly mistrust the people we’ve put in charge of our shared resources or is it resignation to keep choosing the same people each time instead of the ones you CAN trust?

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        1 month ago

        I didn’t put anybody in charge. I could theoretically employ them. They are employees.

        When someone wants trust, they are the last person to be trusted.

        I obviously don’t choose much.

        First, because an anonymous vote where you can vote only for one candidate, not even against. Something similar to likes\dislikes would make more sense, but with each voter getting, say, the amount of likes equal to floor of 1/3 choices in the ballot, and the same amount of dislikes.

        Second, because I live in Russia.

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      30 days ago

      Scattering it just creates an opening for the next monopoly to come and fill the gap. Nationalizing ensures everyone gets fair and equal access and prevents a capitalist monopoly.

      It’s so easy to just say “they” and sound scary it’s harder to actually figure out why some solutions are good and others bad without resorting to a mysterious malevolent entity.

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        30 days ago

        Nationalizing ensures everyone gets fair and equal access and prevents a capitalist monopoly.

        Some people live with a regulated market and think that it won’t lead to monopoly no matter what.

        Some people live without seeing what nationalization does and think that it will be something fair and equal.

        Let’s generally avoid being so certain about things we haven’t seen.

        It’s so easy to just say “they” and sound scary it’s harder to actually figure out why some solutions are good and others bad without resorting to a mysterious malevolent entity.

        There’s nothing mysterious in this.

        If hard narcotics are highly illegal, but also still generally available in your country for those who seek, then somebody does that work with protection from sufficiently powerful people.

        If prostitution is illegal in your country, then the same.

        And so on and so forth.

        Now we are talking about the government control over a large chunk of your communications. There’s no need to sound scary, this is bullshit and you are either a shill or very inexperienced.

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          30 days ago

          Some people live with a regulated market and think that it won’t lead to monopoly no matter what.

          It pretty much by definition has to be a monopoly. The point is that profit isn’t the goal anymore. Serving the people is.

          There’s nothing mysterious in this.

          If hard narcotics are highly illegal, but also still generally available in your country for those who seek, then somebody does that work with protection from sufficiently powerful people.

          What? That’s totally an unrelated topic.

          Now we are talking about the government control over a large chunk of your communications. There’s no need to sound scary, this is bullshit and you are either a shill or very inexperienced.

          They already partially are in most places. Building infrastructure requires government consent or it’d be chaos. Having an option of a search engine being national does not put them in charge of all options though. It just creates a base version that people always have access to.

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            30 days ago

            It pretty much by definition has to be a monopoly. The point is that profit isn’t the goal anymore. Serving the people is.

            You can’t possibly have any instrument to set that goal to people with more power than you or “the people”. And idiots thinking they can have centralized power with “a different goal” somehow set are the ones who’ve lead us to the current state of things.

            What? That’s totally an unrelated topic.

            It’s not. That’s the kind of system you are suggesting to nationalize something under.

            They already partially are in most places. Building infrastructure requires government consent or it’d be chaos. Having an option of a search engine being national does not put them in charge of all options though. It just creates a base version that people always have access to.

            Having an option of Meta or Google doesn’t put them in charge of all social networks too. But in practice it’s different.