• Nighed@sffa.community
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    4 months ago

    I’m going to call BS on that unless they are hiding some new models with huge context windows…

    For anything that’s not boilerplate, you have to type more as a prompt to the AI than just writing it yourself.

    Also, if you have a behaviour/variable that is common to something common, it will stubbornly refuse to do what you want.

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      Have you ever attempted to fill up one of those monster context windows up with useful context and then let the model try to do some useful task with all the information in it?

      I have. Sometimes it works, but often it’s not pretty. Context window size is the new MHz, in terms of misleading performance measurements.

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        4 months ago

        I find there comes a point where, even with a lot of context, the AI just hasn’t been trained to solve the problem. At that point it will cycle you round and round the same few wrong answers until you give up and work it out yourself.

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    4 months ago

    It will be interesting to find out if these words will come back and haunt them.

    • “I think there is a world market for maybe five computers”.
    • “640K ought to be enough for anybody.”
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    4 months ago

    Guys selling something claim it will make you taller and thinner, your dick bigger, your mother in law stop calling, and work as advertised.

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    4 months ago

    I’m curious about what the “upskilling” is supposed to look like, and what’s meant by the statement that most execs won’t hire a developer without AI skills. Is the idea that everyone needs to know how to put ML models together and train them? Or is it just that everyone employable will need to be able to work with them? There’s a big difference.

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      I’m going with the latter. Even my old college which is heavily focused on development is incorporating AI into the curriculum. Mainly because they’re all using it to solve their assignments anyway. Since it isn’t likely to go away and it’s a ‘tool’ they’ll have available when they hit the workforce they are allowing its use.

      I’m not looking forward to seeing code written by some of these people in the wild. Most of the AI code I’ve seen is truly horrendous. I can’t imagine an entire business application of just strung together AI code being maintainable at all.

      I’ll just leave this here cause this future reality is even worse since they likely don’t understand the code to begin with.

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    I’ll take “things business people dont understand” for 100$.

    No one hires software engineers to code. You’re hired to solve problems. All of this AI bullshit has 0 capability to solve your problems, because it can only spit out what it’s already stolen from seen somewhere else

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      I’ve worked with a few PMs over my 12 year career that think devs are really only there to code like trained monkeys.

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        I’m at the point where what I work on requires such a depth of knowledge that I just manage my own projects. Doesn’t help that my work’s PM team consistently brings in new hires only to toss them on the difficult projects no one else is willing to take. They see a project is doomed to fail so they put their least skilled and newest person on it so the seniors don’t suffer any failures.

        Simplifying things to a level that is understandable for the PMs just leads to overlooked footguns. Trying to explain a small subset of the footguns just leads to them wildly misinterpreting what is going on, causing more work for me to sort out what terrible misconceptions they’ve blasted out to everyone else.

        If you can’t actually be a reliable force multiplier, or even someone I can rely on to get accurate information from other teams, just get out of my way please.

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      4 months ago

      It can also throw things against the wall with no concern for fitness-to=purpose. See “None pizza, left beef”.

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    I seem to recall about 13 years ago when “the cloud” was going to put everyone in IT Ops out of a job. At least according to people who have no idea what the IT department actually does.

    “The cloud” certainly had an impact but the one thing it definitely did NOT do was send every system and network admin to the unemployment office. If anything it increased the demand for those kinds of jobs.

    I remain unconcerned about my future career prospects.

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    4 months ago

    If you go forward 12 months the AI bubble will have burst. If not sooner.

    Most companies who bought into the hype are now (or will be soon) realizing it’s nowhere near the ROI they hoped for, that the projects they’ve been financing are not working out, that forcing their people to use Copilot did not bring significant efficiency gains, and more and more are realizing they’ve been exchanging private and/or confidential data with Microsoft and boy there’s a shitstorm gathering on that front.

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      4 months ago

      If you have the ability to build an AI app in house - holy shit shit that can improve productivity. Copilot itself for office use… Meh so far.

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        The most successful ML in-house projects I’ve seen took at least 3 times as long than initially projected to become usable, and the results were underwhelming.

        You have to keep in mind that most of the corporate ML undertakings are fundamentally flawed because they don’t use ML specialists. They use eager beavers who are enthusiastic about ML and entirely self-taught and will move on in 1 year and want to have “AI” on their resume when they leave.

        Meanwhile, any software architect worth their salt will diplomatically avoid to give you any clear estimate for anything having to do with ML – because it’s basically a black box full of hopes and dreams. They’ll happily give you estimates and build infrastructure around the box but refuse to touch the actual thing with a ten foot pole.

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    Says the person who is primarily paid with Amazon stock, wants to see that stock price rise for their own benefit, and won’t be in that job two years from now to be held accountable. Also, who has never written a kind of code. Yeah…. Ok. 🤮

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    I wonder how they think that’s possible, the attempts I’ve made at having an “AI” produce working code have failed spectacularly.

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      We will all be given old school Casio calculators a d sent to crunch numbers in the bitcoin mines.

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    As software developer I am not scared that A.I will take away our jobs. What I am scared is that at that point A.I good enough to do most jobs out there.

    All it really needs to do is replace large chunk of the service industry to do wreck massive havock in our society.

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      If enshitification isn’t stopped, the job market could devolve to the point everyone that isn’t an “elite” will be living in a medival-like society and the only way to get food is by using a barter system to trade with other destitute poor people. The second hyperinflation hits, the rich and the poor will practically be living in different worlds. Learn either a medival skill or a skill that would be beneficial in such a society. I’m doing machining and blacksmithing. Might start dabbling in chemistry too. If I can’t be successful in modern society maybe I can be highly skilled and successful in whatever secondhand society emerges.

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    Can I join anyone’s band of AI server farm raiders 24 months from now? Anyone forming a group? I will bring my meat bicycle.

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    It’s the same claim when tools like Integromat, WayScript, PureData, vvvv and other VPLs (Visual Programming Languages) started to get some hype. I once worked for a company that strongly believed they’d “retire the need for coding”, and my ex-boss was so confident and happy about that… Although VPLs were a practical thing, time is the ruler of truth, and for every dev-related job vacancy I see, they ask some programming language, the written ones (JS, PHP, Python, Ruby, Lua, and so on).

    Because if you look closely, deep inside, voila, there’s code in anything that is claimed to be no-code! Wow, could anyone imagine that? 🤯 /sarcasm