There would be outrage if China sailed warships through the Baltic and North seas, or the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean sea. Or if China had a strong military presence in Russia, Belarus, Cuba, and Venezuela etc.
That you think there would be outrage highlights your lack of understanding.
International waters are just so. It’s only a problem when a country decides to try and restrict access to international waters, and one way to show that this decision is not accepted is to sail warships through it.
Baltic and North seas, or the Gulf of Mexico and Caribbean sea
None of these are contested territories. Chinese vessels go there all the time and nobody really cares.
Would it though? They did sail in baltics and the gulf
Yeah… as a german taxpayer this is exactly what we need now. Poke China for no real reason.
You’re either with Taiwan or you’re with the Terrorists.
The hexbear tankies will get upset at this comment 😂
That’s okay, their opinions don’t matter.
I agree. I would love to entirely block them, but as long as Lemmy is developed and controlled by tankies, this won’t happen. I’m convinced that they made the user-facing instance block feature so shitty on purpose, so people can’t entirely block their tankie instances on a user level. Because they know that they are annoying as fuck, and half the Fediverse would block them immediately.
We’ve got bigger fish to fry at home. My government is actively fueling a genocide in Gaza and doing business with a shitton of other genocidal countries, so virtue signalling with our military by crossing some random strait in east Asia doesn’t make me feel any better about anything.
Okay, but can you at least admit that China is doing a genocide against Muslims and that we need to wage a holy war to end their tyrannical communist rein and restore a godly liberal democracy to their shores?
I agree that they are doing a genocide against the Uyghurs and that should be stopped. I don’t agree with any “holy wars” or whatever you’re on there, and I’m not a fan of “liberal democracy” either, since I myself am a communist. I don’t see how the german navy crossing through the taiwan strait will change any of that, or if it has absolutely any value, since Germany very well funds an active genocide right now and they don’t seem to have a problem with that or the tyrannical Israeli government either. This is just more pathetic virtue signalling.
I don’t see how the german navy crossing through the taiwan strait will change any of that
They’ll be greeted as liberators, obviously.
Heh.
Terrorists?!! You mean people you disagree with?
Yeah, me disagreeing with them locking people up over social media posts criticizing them.
A threat to the existence of our people and a future for our children
Stupidity and blind hate? I agree!
Yep but if you think that word is too biased you can also call them communists, climate activists or snowflakes. Which one you pick depends solely on your own mood.
The word “terrorist” has an incredible power to shut off people’s brains.
Getting the old gang back together! Too bad Russia is on the other side this time.
Russia was always on another side. The Ribbentrop Pact was a weak, untrusting handshake between two barbaric regimes with mutual hatred and a shared realization it would be easier to go rape and pillage more peaceful people instead of each other.
Please see my reply to UnderpantsWeevil
Considering Russia’s past performance in naval warfare in the Pacific, we’re probably better off without them.
you mean the nazi gang?
2024 - 22 = 2002.
So probably not nazis. No.
Getting the old gang back together!
Germany, Japan, and Italy?
I don’t mean to pick on you specifically with this comment, but good lord people, there’s more to history than WW2. Anytime anyone tries to make a historical reference to current events it’s awkwardly shoehorned into a WW2 framework. It drives me crazy. Anyway, sorry for the rant there. No, it’s an older gang. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramble_for_China
Ah, you’re talking about colonialism. You’re going to have a hard time finding anti-colonialists on Lemmy, unfortunately.
Nah, it was just a throwaway joke, the west obviously doesn’t intend to colonize China this time. What they did in the 19th century was egregious, though, and should be much more common knowledge than it is.
the west obviously doesn’t intend to colonize China this time
The Chinese state is a much harder nut to crack under the CCP than it was a century and a half ago under the Qing Dynasty. But there are plenty of John Bolton-esque figures in the American government who seem willing to give it the old college try.
What they did in the 19th century was egregious, though, and should be much more common knowledge than it is.
It’s very difficult to talk about the English Empire as the world’s premier opium cartel without taking a bit of the blush off the rose of liberal democracy and free market capitalism. These historical blemishes get dusted over for a reason.
It’s very difficult to talk about the English Empire as the world’s premier opium cartel without taking a bit of the blush off the rose of liberal democracy and free market capitalism. These historical blemishes get dusted over for a reason.
I agree, but that reflex is unfortunate because the ability to openly discuss and confront those things is what sets democracies apart from totalitarian states. You could never see that kind of frank introspection in China regarding June 4th '89, for example.
You could never see that kind of frank introspection in China regarding June 4th '89, for example.
You could and did. That moment radically transformed how the Deng Administration treated independent political movements, college student activism, and old guard Maoist organizations.
The argument that Chinese politicians and scholars simply don’t acknowledge the events as happening is Western propaganda.
Could we stop making the international tensions? Provoking each other?
I claim a small corner of your livingroom as my property.
Please don’t make this tense or provoke me.
I claim a small corner of your livingroom as my property.
Please don’t make this tense or provoke me.
Do you know the history of China? You just described exactly what the KMT did in 1949 when they lost the civil war lmfao.
excellent comment. cracked a smile.
Has China stopped making ownership claims to waters and lands beyond their borders?
Does China operate international police stations to police their citizens across the globe?
Maybe China should act right and follow the same treaties as the rest of the planet.
I agree, that’s why China should drop all territorial claims for Taiwan
But doesn’t Taiwan consider itself the real and “royal” China? That’s what I’ve always been told. Or have they dropped that claim?
They don’t have any plans to enforce it violently though, while China is planning for a “cross-strait unification” (basically just invading Taiwan).
The American fascists sending one of their vassals. They don’t know how to provoke China lol
Oink oink you little tankie
So tired of all these fucking tankies on Lemmy
Absolutely
