I’m not hip to the lingo

  • ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee
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    2 months ago

    These terms are usually used when talking about the dating scene and they originate from the movie Matrix where taking the blue pill means you’ll stay blissfully ignorant where as red pill means seeing the harsh reality of the world. In dating contex this usually means the idea that women only want rich and high status men who are over 6 feet tall, muscular and have a huge dick and if you want a quality mate you need to achieve these things one way or another.

    Black pill just takes this one step further. It’s basically like going from determinism to fatalism meaning that since you didn’t win the genetic lottery there’s nothing you can do about it so just accept the fact that this is going to be your life untill you die.

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        2 months ago

        Well not really. Those are different things. Black pill is about how you think, while incel is about what you are.

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            Depends on which definition you go by, I guess. I prefer the literal meaning of the word; involuntary celibate. A person who is celibate against their own will.

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                2 months ago

                I think you’re being a bit unfair there. These attitudes often stem from their inability to form relationships. The struggle came first, and the resentment followed. They aren’t without sex and relationships because they’re inherently hateful people; rather, the hatred emerges from prolonged frustration and rejection.

                In most cases, I believe the inability to get into relationships is less about character and more about factors like social awkwardness, lack of friends, poor hygiene, unfortunate genetics, spending too much time online or gaming, etc.

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                  2 months ago

                  These attitudes often stem from their inability to form relationships.

                  Because of how they think making them have awful personalities.

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              2 months ago

              Nobody is celibate against their will. They might have difficulty getting into relationships, but they are also choosing not to use the services of sex workers.

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                2 months ago

                I don’t think that’s fair. It’s not just sex they are after; they want a relationship but are unable to get into one.

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                    2 months ago

                    Your typical incel is that quiet guy in school with bad skin, plain clothes, and oily hair, whose only friends were the other outcasts. Like everyone else, they just wanted a normal relationship with a normal woman. It’s the repeated failure to form those relationships that leads to the resentment and anger we now see. They weren’t always like that. The bitterness and hatred is a coping mechanism for their situation, not the cause of it.

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            2 months ago

            The term, “involuntarily celibate” is not about how someone thinks, hence the “involuntary” portion of the phrase.

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          2 months ago

          Arguably blackpilled folks are less problematic than incels since they have given up looking and perhaps developed a better attitude toward women (paradoxically) while incels hold a shred of toxic hope that their tradwife will swoop in and save them and that hope eats them alive. Note: I am not a scholar of either community’s worldview