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Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon
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Cool, but did you stop giving money and weapons yet? No? Then your statement is as effective as “thoughts and prayers.”
The UN definitely has its problems but I’m not going to blame UN global representatives for the US paving the unilateral support for the genocidal terrorist nation state of Israel.
Bro do you even know what the UN is?
Thoughts and prayers for the world?
The primary purpose of the United Nations (UN) is to maintain international peace and security. It aims to take effective collective measures to prevent and remove threats to peace, suppress acts of aggression, and settle international disputes peacefully, in accordance with principles of justice and international law.
brother AI is a solution to “solve all of your business problems with your business and elevate your business to a level above all other businesses” are you unironically reading marketing speak this straight?
The veto power in the UN makes it not functional. When China, Russia, France, The United Kingdom, or the United States veto something it’s done, without debate or “peaceful resolution.”
US using it’s veto power 34 times against ending the war in Gaza.
Russia using it’s veto power against using war in Ukraine.
When the big kids in the playground can do everything they want there is no space for debate or peaceful resolution, everyone else just shows up.
People are indoctrinated to believe that because votes are involved the process is somehow magically subject to meaningful reform and input from the masses.
A process where people were meaningfully enfranchised wouldn’t need to rely on something so abstract as votes. Voting is a process by which people are convinced to trade in their actual power in exchange for a piece of paper.
A process where people were meaningfully enfranchised wouldn’t need to rely on something so abstract as votes.
how is this one supposed to work? Just curious, since voting seems to be the only real method of direct representation, unless you’re suggesting a global at will military force, which, would be a thing.
Federated communities that make decisions on consensus, with the fundamental rule that “those affected get to decide”.
There’s a lot more to it and there’s a lot to unpack in just the above paragraph, but if the only alternative you can imagine is a global military dictatorship then it’s hard to know where to even start explaining it to be quite honest.
why isn’t he arrested already? I wish I had similar privileges, where I could break laws (thst don’t violate human rights ofc.), make a shitload of money and travel the world freely.
Cool. Now do something that stops him. Going for a coffee won’t save lives.
Only the US (or Israel’s Arab allies bought by the US) can do that and yeah.
The UN is a forum for dialogue. Expecting the UN to do something other than either say stuff or help byandate supported by countries just shows you don’t understand what their purpose is.
Walking out in this case sends the message. If these countries want to do something about it they can, other countries might intervene on Israëls behalf. The UN provides a forum to discuss this kind of stuff. So countries don’t end up in wars they did not want.
If these countries want to do something about it they can
Yes, but they don’t. They go grab a coffee. Look, I know many countries are very vocal about their disagreement. I’m just so pissed there are still others (mine included) that seem to be absolutely blind to any of the atrocities and respond with neverending loyalty. In my county I even understand that to a degree, but still I’m beyond pissed. Accepting the genocide your ancestors caused and the moral consequences of it shouldn’t result in accepting another one driven by former victims. What Israel does is vile and unacceptable. And I say Israel, not the Israelis or ‘the Jews’, because I’m not a complete idiot. But there are people who might use the antisemite card on this. Maybe because they are complete idiots, or because they are off the same ideals and moral as the Nazis. And this behavior sickens me.
Well yes, the risk that is present is that if countries where to openly intervene and wage war against Israël, the US would intervene on the side of Israel.
Talking in the UN allows them to weigh their options, which allows them to make more informed decisions. Regardless of the subject matter at hand.
I’m not talking about war with Israel. But condemning them. Stopping trade. Calling in diplomats. There’s a lot of granularity between peace and war.
The ignorance of this statement makes me embarrassed for you.
That’s ok, I don’t mind
If he is still able to speak and be heard, then they arent loud enough. Every single person in that room needs to be screaming to demand his immediate arrest.
Good point, them leaving says I don’t want to be involved not that I want to stop the injustice.
It’s the only way they can express their revulsion at Israel, and the US who constantly block anything else they might try
No… It says “I won’t be a part of this”. It’s a desperate act.
This might matter in ten years if Netanyahu hangs.
He is such a fucking scumbag. Fuck him and fuck the rest of Israel.
Looking at the protests against him in Israel I think many if not most Israelis don’t want this campaign of violence. For many years I’ve felt sorry for all the civilians in that area, because they are trying to live their lives and extremist assholes on all sides keep killing them.
Fuck the USA, and every country too chicken shit to oppose a criminally corrupt sociopath committing war crimes to delay his own imminent corruption trial and imprisonment.
wait ok, i’m confused why do we hate the US government? Is it because it’s doing global geopolitics shit? Like what’s the motive for caring about this, as opposed to like, stopping world hunger.
Like the motive for the latter is obvious, but i don’t really see the motive for the former. It just seems like yelling at a vast brick wall for no reason.
why do we hate the us government
uhhhh where do you wanna start. I mean pick a year between 1776 and now. Pick a month, probably.
june of 1832, i wonder what kind of goofy shit happened that month.
including scores of women and children
This always assumes that there are no civilian men. I get that men are the ones usually conscripted, but… that’s always seemed weird to me.
It makes for a more defensible argument. No sane person is going to argue that a 4 year old child is an enemy combatant. But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatant and so maybe the numbers are inflated. Saying 1000 people can be interpreted as 999 enemies and only 1 civilian casualty. Saying 1000 women and children is usually interpreted as 1000 innocent lives lost.
But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatan
The age old problem of “excess males” solved by declaring open season on anyone with facial hair.
Yeah, that’s true, but super fucked that women get the innocence of children and men are assumed to be not innocent in any situation.
Life is harsh when you’re a guy.
Given the Israeli position on military rape, it’s just a different flavor of attrocity.
Now if they would actually take action.
