RubberDuck

Ah, tx… and please don’t vote 3rd party. Trump would be really bad for the whole world. So this is a time to solidly oppose him. The whole fascism thing would be bad if it happened in the US.

Why the down votes?

Yeah, I think Palestinians should have the self governance. 2 state solution should be done properly. I don’t think the neighboring countries will allow it, but we will see.

But then many worry (including me) if the Palestinians end up putting the same type of people in charge that will preach revenge and hatred only to drag them into another war we will be back here again. It’s not as if that is unprecedented.

Israël holds the power and they have the responsibility to be better to the Palestinians than they are and help them become a proper state and self govern.

They don’t have to leave perse… but they could use these borders to trade and travel… but these borders are also shut… for the good of the Palestinians or something…

And yeah, leave them in the west bank and Gaza.

Antisemitism because of Israel… some yeah, most “just because”… Bit silly to ascribe it all to that.

And hating Jews because the israeli government you associate them with, is doing wrong shit, leads to more violence…maybe even Jews that take their stuff and move to Israel. These will not be the most open minded well adjusted people.

And yes they should stop killing people. But how do we make the peace structural and not just a reprieve until the next flare up.

So why don’t Jordan and Egypt have open borders with Gaza and the west bank then? What’s the deal there? Why have the Palestinians never been a sorbed I to the populations of the other regions countries, like the Jews kicked out of these countries where in Israël?

And about not letting Palestinians in… this is not me saying it, it’s what the other Arab countries are actively doing… while saying they care for the faith of their brethren.

And yeah, Hezbollah and Israel have been shooting at each other for decades. Fascist state government vs antisemitic terrorist organisations.

Israël is filled with people that left where they lived be cause of either anti semitism or the pull to the settler colonial project. An easy solution there is not.

That’s not what I’m saying, I’m just pointing to a dou lebatabdard that you seem to apply.

Ah, responding to the tone… got it.

Probably more because there is plenty of agreement between our stances and there is also plenty to weig. But as I said elsewhere, priorities matter and there are plenty of things to be said about Palestinians and the people that claim to help them, the list of countries and organisations that could have helped them for real is almost endless but includes the Palestinians themselves, especially in the form of Hamas, plo and the people that voted them into power.

Yeah, this is not the gotcha you might hope it to be. The whole interbellum and post WW2 was a shit show.

And you are arguing Jewish terrorists are terrorists when they reclaimed their stake from the English but the Palestinians are resistance? Jews where ousted from the region too, but if it’s long enough, then tough shit? What do we then think of all the Jews ousted from Arabic countries to Israel who where absorbed into the country? If the same had happened to the Palestinians the issue would have been mute, but the Arab friends of the Palestinians decided to keep the Palestinians locked into their predicament as this would help them most… Or something.

And the occupied territories and colonial settler programs are criminal and should stop. Gaza settlers where removed, Westbank settlers should be done the same.

Hezbollah is in Lebanon. Why do they have the right to keep rocket shelling Israël?

Gaza occupation had ended, settlers where removed, Israel closed it off as gazans have no right to enter Israël, if Israël don’t want them too. Egypt had the border closed too, I guess the people in Gaza are not ones you let into your country.

West bank I have nothing to add, the whole settler stuff is criminal and Israel needs to do to the Jewish settlers there what they did with Gaza settlers, convoy them out back into Israël proper and wall of the border.

The issue is landlocked countries need to play nice with their neighbors and Palestinians have no friends on their borders. Neither Jordan not Syria want open borders with them, cause of the whole attempted coup by the PLO, sectarian “differences” and terrorism.

The fact that terrorist organisations like Hezbollah, Hamas and the PLO are so intertwined with civilian life in the Palestinian territory is an issue… for the Palestinians as it makes everyone in the organisation a valid target.

Edit: Jerusalem should be split off and given a status similar to the Vatican and governed by representatives from both sides imo.

Yeah, we disagree on the whole illegal occupation part when it comes to Israel proper. And this in turn leads to disagreement about a lot of the other aspects.

Everything in life has to do with priorities and where you put them and when it comes to the founding of Israel we disagree.

The UN is not to do anything. The UN exists solely as a forum where countries always have a place for dialogue, no matter how high the temperature. It also gives a voice to all countries in conversations. It is an attempt to avoid nuclear war, not a world government. It has no power other than a voice through which countries can speak who agree with one another. If countries want to band together and do something they can, but the UN cannot. It can only give credence to actions taken by Member countries if enough other countries support it…

Well innocents die in every war. In the Russia Ukraine war it is clear who is the bad guy. In the middle east it’s not as cut and dry unfortunately. What Israel is doing exceeds any proportionality, but it’s not as if there is no 2 warring sides of bad guys there that have civilians caught in the middle.

The UN is not a “do anything about it” it is a diplomatic forum.

The conflicts are not even remotely the same, and you’re doing Putin’s work by spreading the nonsense trying to conflate the 2.

Edit: besides that, the UN secretary should be there. BRICS might turn into a major power block, it’s his job to stay informed.

He himself should be investigated to make sure he had nothing to do with it.

So an unlabelled bot. Tx for the submission.

Well, governments cannot keep lowering taxes and then claiming they have no money. Well, raise taxes on the rich and on companies then.

No, let’s not. There is a difference here. Does the US use its nationals to beat up Americans with the wrong political affiliation during peaceful protests (like turkey does) or have a family member call from the US to let them know they have been detained because of an opinion the American expressed while in the Netherlands, like china does? Or send groups of people to beat up their countrymen for having a political rally here like Eritrea does? All these things happened in the last year… and also before that.

We had instances of Chinese police outposts in the Hague and Eritrean nationals showing up with fighting groups to let their countrymen know they dislike their political affiliation using large street brawls that required riot police to break up… so yeah.

History doesn’t repeat but it does rhyme. A lot of this kind of stuff happened in the taxi world in the Netherlands and other countries, leading to heavy regulation of the taxi branch.

Intransparent pricing, price gouging customers, violent conflicts between taxi companies. Then the tech bros came in, started trying to offer rides by unlicensed drivers, using whatever vehicle the driver had, called it surge pricing and tried to claim the rules did not apply to them.

And now you see some places have come full circle.

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