• TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        I really don’t agree with this. AdBlock Plus is a technically inferior, directly competing standard that sucks up to advertisers by doing something only marginally less scummy than taking bribes to look the other way. These two extensions are both licensed under the GPLv3, but I seriously doubt Gorhill, the developer of uBlock Origin, sees much if any benefit from ABP’s source code. uBO uses ABP’s filter list syntax, but if ABP ceased to exist, the lists would work just the same.

        If ABP had their way, they would monopolize adblocking as effectively a protection racket, and being given funding to create that sort of ecosystem is toxic to an open Internet. Giving ABP any money is worse than losing it down a sewer grate. uBO at this point in time should be the only adblocking extension anyone is using, because it’s the one that’s actually working toward a better Internet.

        • Red Army Dog Cooper@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 months ago

          Look man he is a kid he is trying to suport adblocking, I do not expect him to try to find a way to anonomusly send it to uBO, he will search adblock and pay it… not saying its a good choice, I am saying its a choice I would expect a child who is trying there best to make

          • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            edit-2
            2 months ago

            I don’t blame Billy for being naive. I am not saying Billy should instead track down Raymond Gorhill and mail them cash.

            Nonetheless, what Billy has done – in good faith and thinking he was helping – is make the Internet a very slightly worse place and spent money to do so.

      • Mac@mander.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        Correct, but you should donate to the list maintainers, not the enemy.

    • vapeloki@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      arrow-down
      26
      ·
      2 months ago

      That is true and false. Adblock plus takes money for the acceptable afs program, yes. But there are clear guidelines about the ads. Containing criteria for privacy, size in relation to content and more.

      I work in IT for 20 years now. Half this time my salary was paid for by ads:

      My company hosted big german news outlets. All money they made online was from ads.

      More adblockers meant less income so their required more ads just to come out without losing money.

      ABP tried to break this cycle.

      Now we are having paywals, and paywal breakers. And at this point this is outright stealing.

      If adblockers would allow ads that adhere to the acceptable ads criteria, the world would be a better place. Less paywals, less ads and maybe some companies would pay their employees a little bit more.

      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        20
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        AdBlock Plus takes money to whitelist ads.

        This is true and false, for in fact, you see, AdBlock Plus takes money to whitelist ads.

        ???

      • pixelscript@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        13
        ·
        2 months ago

        If adblockers would allow ads that adhere to the acceptable ads criteria, the world would be a better place. Less paywals, less ads and maybe some companies would pay their employees a little bit more.

        I disagree. The system may have began in earnest goodwill, but financial incentive inevitably erodes goodwill. ABP becomes incentivized to adapt its definition of “acceptable” based on potential revenues they stand to gain from increasingly persuasive advertisers. Your vision of a better world under this system is at best temporary.

        The alternative model, simply paying for goods and services directly, is a far more robust solution.

      • Red Army Dog Cooper@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        I would hardly call any of this steeling, The authors of the articles and the people needed to maintain the website are not being given the full value of there labor, they are already being stollen from, I do not care if the big company cannot make as much money, there profit is the theft of employee wages

        • vapeloki@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          2 months ago

          I am with you regarding the big ones. But what about smaller media outlets and journalists to try to make a living on their own ? We need them. More then the big ones. Then the solution is to just ignore all the big ones and read the smaller ones. With ads or paying for it.

          • Red Army Dog Cooper@lemmy.ml
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            2 months ago

            I would say nither, agian there profit is direct theft from there workers I see no reason to enable said theft by turning off my add block or not bypassing a paywall

      • kungfuratte@feddit.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        2 months ago

        Even if you go with the “acceptable” part of that whole thing it’s still shady.

        It’s one thing to boycott ads as an individual user (and to “steal” ad revenue from websites) but a completely different thing if you run an external service that steals (without quotation marks) from the revenue pool.

      • tux@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        Out of curiosity, what was your CEO and other executives making while claiming “it’s cause ad blockers”?

        • vapeloki@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          edit-2
          2 months ago

          We didn’t care. We were the hosting provider nor the news outlets. But we had close contact to our customers. And a lot of the smaller customers had a hard time to even survive. The primary source of income was print until paywals came around. Some customers never had print and had to close down with the surge of ad blockers

      • BigDiction@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        You delivered some good points. I also work with publishers.

        Ad blockers have had an impact, but I think the bigger driver is that premium demand has migrated spending to connected TV (CTV, showing ads on an Internet connected large screen). Publishers just don’t get the rates they used to for web and mobile inventory, even if they’re doing everything right.

        I think when another trendy channel like AI ads straight to your brain or whatever pops up we will see another migration.

  • pemptago@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    25
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 months ago

    But if you pay for YouTube premium you won’t have ads… for the first couple of years until they corner the market, and change the terms of services several times to maximize profits. uBlock and donating to open source FTW. shout out to yt-dlp

    • Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      3
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      Also ad lock blocks ads on all of the platforms you use. YouTube plus just removed them from YouTube… I ain’t paying 20 different places for ad free use when they charge like $15+ each, maybe if it were $1 each for nah they are all greedy.

      • pemptago@lemmy.ml
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        2 months ago

        Good point. And it wouldn’t surprise me if google was still using YTP subscriber viewing data to target them on other platforms and websites. Actually, I’d be surprised if they weren’t doing that.

    • Vincent@feddit.nl
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      And they’re cornering several markets, e.g. also the browser markets, which if we let them will make your adblocker no longer work either.

      Don’t use Chrome or Chrome-based browsers people. (So basically, use Firefox.)

      (Yes there are a couple of others too. Do what you want, I’m not your boss.)

  • Landsharkgun@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    12
    ·
    2 months ago

    Get F-Droid, and go use NewPipe. Export your subscriptions from YouTube and load them into NewPipe. Problem solved.

  • themachine@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    7
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    2 months ago

    Does any ad blocker actually block YouTube ads? Origin doesn’t appear to be effective for me. Any advice is appreciated.

      • Pika@sh.itjust.works
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        2 months ago

        it’s still practical to block them, twitch has adblockers and uses the same mechanics, if there’s a client rendered element(such as a pop up box that can be clicked) it’s detectable and therefor skippable or at the very least hidable.

    • the post of tom joad@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      2 months ago

      Origin blocks ads for me on FF. Depending on the video you’re watching, know that YouTube is now hard coding ads into its video which nothing so far can block (as far as i know)

    • themachine@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      2 months ago

      Unfortunately security at work just shut down all use of Firefox, and I was using YouTube enhancer. Forced to using Edge now.

      Non work FF4lyfe and no issue, but I’ve always had to use more than just ublock origin.

    • batmaniam@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      2 months ago

      I know youtube has been selective about rollouts, but I use uBlock, sponsor block, and ABP in chrome and have had zero issues.

  • flashgnash@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    edit-2
    2 months ago

    Got adblock and yt premium, that way the creators I watch still benefit

    Also especially if you get a family plan and split the cost it’s really not too bad, £5 a month seems pretty reasonable to me for yt plus music

  • dumbass@leminal.space
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    2 months ago

    What is it about the line " Billy, Noo!" that always kills me?! Its so stupid but it fills me with joy when I hear it or read it.