• Allero@lemmy.today
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    13 days ago

    So, basically it’s enough to say “Fuck Russia, Fuck Russians” here and it gains you massive support.

    Seriously?

    First, how does this fuck Russia the state?

    Second, what everyday Russians have to do with it? What justifies sneaking in hate messages to a diverse ethnic group with no single ideology?

    Saying “Fuck Russians” is about the same as “Fuck Jews” because Israel has done bad things. This is not okay.

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      12 days ago

      Our countries welcome Ukrainian refugees.

      I am friends with Russians in my country.

      Russiana living here sneak benefits by saying they are Ukrainians.

      The majority of Russians living here voted for Putin polls have shown.

      Some Russians denounce our media and only watch Russian state TV.

      So if they can’t adapt after beeing here for decades I tend to believe that the Russian common sense differs immensly from ours. And therefore I agree with this propaganda: Fuck Russia.

      They talk about eachother on the highest level but Russian citizens - here or in Russia - do not form loud critique. If my Brother was jailed for critique I would apread the word in my circles who would spread the word… WE IN THE WEST WOULD MAKE US HEARD.

      Russians benefiting from the lower prices just agree with their government and apparently do not care about their country killing innocent people.

      So fuck Russians as well.

      • Obviously not every Russian is stupid or bad. But if they want to get out of their war, they have to speak up. This is exactly what they demand from other countries with inner conflicts.
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        12 days ago

        The advice would be relevant a bit ealier, around the Bolotnaya protests.

        But now protesting in Russia is nothing short of suicidal. You won’t make yourself heard - much quicker, you’ll be jailed. Police is constantly on duty near main protest venues, and they act brutal. And this fear mentality permeates many even as they leave, afraid they’ll have to return some day.

        Right now, it seems like the only thing that would help is a full-scale revolution, but people are passivized enough through decades of oppression that organizing them is near impossible. Everyone is scared as hell to be the one who comes on the street, finds out they are alone and next moment they are taken to police and jailed for years.

        Even under those conditions, people did come out to anti-war protests, especially in 2022. Result? Brutal suppression and mass incarceration. So, I hope you can see where this comes from.

    • sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world
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      13 days ago

      Russia has said they are going to do asymetrical warfare with the west. So why should we not prepare for what they claim they will do? Russians arent owed anything. Not a seat at the table, not a chance to contribute to open source software, not to be listened to. Not rights beyond their borders. It doesnt matter if they are nice. Its not our job to take their measure and apply sanctions onesey twosey. If they dont like it they should take it up with their motherland and get it sorted.

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        11 days ago

        The fact that the US is still allowing them to vacation here is absurd.

        According to your logic every american is scum because of government politics.

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        13 days ago

        No one’s owed anything, but it’s in the collective interest to unite - without borders.

        Russia is growing reliant on Linux, and it is heavily unlikely they’ll poison their own waters. Now Russian state and companies will just fork it for their needs, leaving mainline kernel worse off.

        Russians are a diverse set of people, many of whom (especially relatively young IT crowd) are super not cool with what Russia is doing and have 0 intention to do anything murky in its interest.

        And I’m growing tired of people imagining Russians can just come out on the street and end this for good, but somehow don’t want to or something. Any coordination of people is broken and de facto outlawed. Protesters are jailed within about a minute of protesting. People are scared for their families.

        All this also ignores the fact that other world forces can have every intention to backdoor and hurt Linux as well, yet Russia in particular is the scapegoat. Linus just made sure Linux is now part of the proclaimed “West”, even though it was never attacked or forced to pick any sides whatsoever, and even Russia the state held absolutely nothing against it.

        As per visas - not only would US lose out on a lot of talented folks that could benefit it (and not Russia, mind you!), it’s also too big of a political center. There was an occasion when the US didn’t want to allow in Russian diplomats that were heading for the United Nations HQ. Is that alright in your eyes?

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      13 days ago

      First, how does this fuck Russia the state?

      It makes it more difficult for Russia to put backdoors into western IT infrastructure

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      13 days ago

      It’s just people can’t do anything to stop Russia or at least help Ukraine. Although the latter is possible, but it’d require some effort. Writing and upvoting “fuck Russia” on social media is easy and that makes them feel better.

    • AWildMimicAppears@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      13 days ago

      Well, if your state is breaching international law, deporting children, using artillery to reduce cities to ashes, sending hundreds of thousands of its own citizens to their death and allying itself with fucking north korea to “denazify” a country while swinging its nuclear dick around…

      then maybe it’s time to leave the country or accept that people with a russian mail address are persona non grata in the rest of the world. It’s not their first war of aggression, and enough is enough.

      fuck russia. fuck russians.

      and fuck hospital- and refugee camp bombing zionists btw. (not all jews are zionists!)