3rd party voters didn’t swing a single swing state. That is a demonstrable fact. It’s time to stop punching down.
The liberal deer will never be mature enough for that reality.
I’m gonna love it when all your guys excuses run out and you’re finally going to have to answer to yourselves.
I won’t care then though. I’ll probably be in a camp somewhere. but I’ll be thinking of you all 😶 alot.
Rofl, victim complex much? “Punching down” like you’re some repressed minority for having shitty prioritization skills. Jfc
How long will y’all keep posting these counter-factual loser memes?
Its so hilarious how this ridiculously toxic culture around blaming third party was developed, worked on for months, and then when it came time, the impact of third parties was so utterly irrelevant as to be laughable.
There’s gotta be some way to blame the left for Trump winning. Look harder!
The real beef was with stay home single EDIT issue folks who would otherwise be Dem voters.
Edit for clarity: the above group are historical, nominally Dem voters, who stayed home abnormally this election.
3rd party “voices” were annoying because they only punched at Dems, never at republicans. Interestingly, a few of them migrated to libertarian and conservative instances now
This is all just the same toxic projection that I’ve been pointing out in this thread.
You want to blame third parties but there is basically 0, practically negative evidence for it.
No, I haven’t discussed 3rd parties at all in my comment. I said 3rd party “voices”, reading comprehension meaning “commenters/online personalities” because I noted their movement to new instances.
Edit also note I had a typo in my above “single party” to 'single issue"
Splendid discussion as usual dingdong. Twist then pull up
What do you expect when you just keep putting the same performative toxicity on display?
So much assuming.
My “toxicity” are legitimate concerns to not get trump, who will ramp everything up. Well look who’s here now.
As I said, single issue stay homes, and “alternative” voices that actually only served to strike at Dems are issues I believe shifted the narrative and may have influenced the election.
I made a thread to discuss other influences beyond just punching down at 3rd party platforms.
None of us would “otherwise be dem voters”. What part of “I’m not voting for you because I don’t support your policies” did you not understand?
Many “normally / historically” Dem voters stayed home. That’s the group I’m referring to by “single issue” section.
I don’t know who you “us” are so why would I speak for you?
Because you’ve been so civil in your reply, I’ll throw an edit on there just for you.
Just because someone voted Democrat before doesn’t mean they would necessarily do so this year if it hadn’t been for that pesky genocide they are doing.
By us I mean leftists, third party voters, and people who did not vote
That’s fine, I clarified I’m not discussing leftists.
Registered party voters represent millions and millions of voters. That type of “historical” voter is not an anomaly.
Turnout in 2024 was about the same as 2020. It wasn’t Democrats staying home. Trump simply swayed more voters.
I’m specifically referring to otherwise active voters, who are historically punchcard democrats. There are many other types of voters, but I specifically grouped a sample that is my discussion.
What’s your evidence that Democrats “stayed home abnormally this election”?
doesn’t that mean it worked?
No, it was just part of a broader culture of infantalism demonstrated by Democratic apologists. There was no there there. Just people desperate for something to blame for their incompetence.
but like… if everyone is saying “don’t vote third party”, and the amount of third party votes significantly drops as a result, isn’t this what the result would look like?
There is a term for the act of only looking for evidence that confirms your bias. If the “strategy” worked, then why isn’t Kamala Harris president?
And if that wasn’t the goal of the strategy, what point is it that you think was being made in the first place?
i have no idea what the strategy of the us democratic party was, I’m just reflecting on what i’ve on social media over the past month or so (a constant barrage of “don’t vote third party”) and comparing it to the results (very few people voting third party). of course there’s no way to know how much of that was due to said barrage, but we can for sure say that the people telling people to vote third party failed.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the leftists who switched to voting Democratic this election were dwarfed by the Democrats who didn’t vote or even voted for Trump.
So they succeeded at what they were trying to do, but it was of negligible benefit.
probably. the actual demographics shifts don’t make it over here, only the final numbers.
Oh I’m sure the comments on this post will be nice and calm
every lemmy.ml user when a joke is made at their expense.
I’ll never understand why people refuse to blame the powerful rich people running the Democrats for not drawing people in with good leftist policy.
Because leftist policy doesn’t bring anyone to the polls other than the right. Only 30% of eligible voters bothered to show up to polls and vote for a black/Indian woman over a Hitler wannabe. That means that a full 70% of eligible voters said they were fine with, or were actively choosing, a child raping felon, who outright said he wanted to execute anyone who ever opposed him and praised Hitler’s generals.
You can god damn well bet that the people running the Democratic party learned a lesson, and that lesson is that so called liberals will always come up with an excuse not to vote no matter how dire the situation, but conservatives will show up even for made up shit that has been repeatedly proven to be wrong.
And if you thought the Dems were conservative before… well just wait and see how much farther right they are going to go now chasing the only votes that bother to show up to vote.Because they’re not here arguing with us.
What if the deer lives in one of the 43 states that do not matter?
Supposedly if every single liberal-leaning person were to vote Democrat, they (edit: some of them) would have become swing states.
But I think it’s more that people just want an easy target to punch, which makes people feel more in control. Like, it’s not our glorious leader™'s fault, it’s “those” people, over there. And the number of Internet searches for what happened to Joe Biden on the very morning of the election should legit be worrisome to us all imho…
Ngl, I was kinda impressed by storing told about Kamala’s campaigning and dedication. (Or was that simply part of the spin machine?) Maybe she could - no, surely she could have done better? But she also gave it as much as “the establishment” would allow, and came up short.
So now we can either roll up our sleeves and try to fix things… oh who is anyone kidding we’ll just take whatever handouts we are given, as always.
I don’t understand why the USA doesn’t use preferential voting like Australia does: https://www.chickennation.com/voting/
Instead of just picking one candidate/party, you number them based on your preferences. First all the #1 votes are counted. If no party gets the majority (over 50%) of votes, the party with the least number of votes is removed, and for everyone that voted for them, their #2 votes are used. Repeat until someone wins.
Independents (what you call “third-party” in the USA) can win, and any party that gets over 4% of the #1 votes gets election funding from the government (a fixed amount per vote).
Because both of the major parties benefit from excluding the competition.
It’s kind of like, if your car won’t start, you need to take it to a mechanic, but because it won’t start, you can’t drive it to the mechanic. We need to change how our elections work because FPTP prevents us from implementing the policies we want, but it’s precisely because it prevents us from implementing the policies we want that we’re unable to change it. It’s a catch-22.
We’re too corrupt to allow the competition :)
There’s a movement for that, but it’s been moving very slow.
No party should ever have over 50% of power. Hell, no party should have more than 30%. Different parties should work together always to ensure one single party can never project it’s power over those that don’t want it
Is this why coffee is often served as molten lava? Because all yall blow on your coffee before every sip? I despise all of you. I just want to drink coffee like any other drink
So the implication of this meme is to starting shooting minorities, so they get back in line with voting for the party.
If that is the kind of “jokes” the “progressive” center makes, it is no wonder, that the fascists win the election. Seems like it does not matter, whether there is a D or an R next to the presidents name. The US will build concentration camps either way.
