This is actually horrific. I’m disgusted, like, ew. This is a lose-lose for everyone involved.

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      9 days ago

      I’m not saying it isn’t her choice, I’m saying she obviously needs help. That even if its her choice, that doesn’t mean she doesn’t need help. If you saw someone engaging in self-destructive behavior, you would still want to help them right? A crack addict technically “chooses” to do drugs, that doesn’t mean you should just leave them to themselves.

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        9 days ago

        I leave drug addicts alone. I see them all the time, give them room, they are adults and made their choice.

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          9 days ago

          obviously, at a granular level, there’s nothing you can do outside of refuse to give them money. the same applies to porn stars etc. But from a top-down level, like, a policy level, these people need help.

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            So it comes back to body autonomy. People can’t use their bodies to do things you don’t like… thats a hard rule to enforce… how far do you go? Can’t marry someone you don’t like? Can’t have sex with people you don’t like? Only sex for making babies? No tattoos?

            And where ever you draw the line, someone else will want to draw the line someplace else.

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              Reinforcing age old historical norms is a great place to start. Like, I dunno, making sex work illegal. making non-committal sex taboo again. there are a lot of ways to do this.

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                historic norms is a huge menu; Women must cover themselves? Women must never be unguarded by a male? Women are responsible for bad things that happen to them? Shot-gun weddings? Women must get married by arrangement of their parents? etc, etc

                What is the “this” that you want to “do”? What is your end goal? it sounds like you don’t want to be upset by what other people do, which is a moving goalpost

                Do you ban divorce too? Because if someone got married to have sex, and now wants to divorce, that is basically them just having selfish sex, which you have established you don’t like.

                Also if you ban sex work, what are you replacing it with? Universal Basic Income?

                You want the power to limit other people’s human rights, that needs to come with responsibilities you now owe those people - you have to take care of them now that your acting like their overbearing parent.