Context: https://lemmy.world/comment/14613536 Screenshotted context just in case:
A user claims that the killing in Palestine stopped under Biden now. I point out that biden had full-throatedly supported the genocide for over a year. A mod deletes my post and says that biden didn’t “state” (keyword here) full-throated support for genocide.
I counter by saying I consider sending billions in support of genocide counts as full-throated support for genocide. I also point out that I didn’t say Biden stated his support for genocide and that he didn’t need to outright state it because actions speak louder than words.
I receive a temp ban for that counter and the mod adds a response where they claim the weapons were “provided for defense from Iran, full stop.” which sounds to me like actual misinformation because how the hell does bombing hospitals in Gaza defend Israel from Iran? I’m not bothered by their stupid opinion, but I am bothered that they are enforcing it through moderation.
I ran into a similar moderation problem on the Political Memes community also on .world, but I didn’t bother making a post here for that because that’s just a dumb meme community and I was better off just blocking it, but now this is concerning a world news community and it’s awful to see something like this happening in a community that’s supposed to keep people aware of the news.
But hey, maybe I’m wrong and it actually is misinformation to say it’s full-throated support of genocide to send billions in weapons to a country using those weapons to commit genocide. Please let me know what you think!
PTB
While I generally do like your politics, and do also agree, I think it ill behoves you to not leave an explanation.
It’s not your responsibility to weigh in on everything that comes through this community, even though most of us do appreciate it.
Behooves? You mean it benefits me, or did you mean to use a negative? Otherwise that “While” makes no sense.
Ahh, sorry, that was rather archaic speech. I’m just saying it seems to me to be bad praxis to leave only a verdict without an explanation.
I don’t agree. As far as I’m concerned, the explanation is the OP itself. I also don’t always have the time or inclination to write more than a judgement. Note however that my vote is not “The Final Say” or anything. I’m just writing as equal to one of y’all.
I understand.
If you want an explanation, allow me. Jordanlund is a renowned Zionist who, along with FlyingSquid, has a long history in this community for banning people who criticize Israel. He usually shows up here at least once a week for something shitty he’s done.
Seems aligned with the general tendency of LW mods to deny any implications of the USA as weapons providers for Israel
https://feddit.org/post/2791051?scrollToComments=true
No opinion on my side, I’m not American, but curious what others have to say.
When this blows back and US citizens die, and somebody says:
Why would anybody do this to us?!
Y’all know why. Actions have consequences and i hope that support Israelis doing a genocide was worth it.
But god forbid somebody memes Luigi, that’s promoting violence 🤡
I’m shocked I’m not banned from .world for giving citations of the horrid actions of the people they idolize.
“Reality has a liberal bias” is a funny joke from Colbert, and when you give them reality and facts with places they themselves agree are “neutral, unbiased, reputable”, suddenly they never liked them. Reality has a bias of “Maybe doing horrible things is bad no matter who does them.”
They will change their tune when Trump does murder in Gaza. Suddenly they always supported Palestine, they always donated to the cause, never once did they ever defend Israel.
PTB especially considering jordanlund continued that thread to have the same argument with someone else with basically identical views as you. if it’s really misinformation all of that should be removed, but clearly it’s just satisfying to get a one up over one user.
i have said this before: !world@lemmy.world isn’t a news community; it’s a sandbox for that mod team to fuck around in.
Jesus fucking Christ can mods just not get into arguments? You’re a mod. Shut the fuck up and don’t cause more drama.
PTB. Jordanlund is a Zionist, he and FlyingSquid have a long history of banning anyone who criticizes Israel. For those new here, he’s also very critical of BLM because they once “inconvenienced” him on the way to work by holding a protest.
Censorship of opinion. I can’t tell if the issue the accusation that US being genocide enabler or just generic “anti Israel” sentiment. The lines are kinda blurred.
Everybody’s been brainwashed by zionism their whole lives, especially genocide joe.
BPR, in a sense.
Hear me out.
I don’t think any particular viewpoint should ever be censored on Lemmy, except maybe in very rare exigent circumstances which this doesn’t even remotely qualify as.
That said, there is a massive misinformation problem on Lemmy, amplifying the true fact that Biden supported Israel’s genocide, and tying it randomly into totally different topics to the point that it distorts the real conversation and often crowds out genuine posters. That should be censored.
I don’t think you can do it based on the viewpoint, but I absolutely get what Jordan’s trying to do here. It’s very difficult to tell if any particular person is doing misinformation, and if they’re not, you can’t censor their viewpoint, because that’s messed up. But it’s also hard to look at a whole comments section full of “GENOCIDE JOE he killed all those people I will never co-sign a genocide kamalcaust you need to call her kamalacaust blue MAGA” from people who are all incredibly obtuse and vocal in generally the same similar way when anyone talks to them about it, and not say that something should be done.
It’s a hard problem. I have no idea if this particular poster is doing misinformation. If they aren’t, then they should be allowed to say whatever. But removing misinformation, that’s happening as an organized operation at scale, is absolutely a good thing. I wish mods did more of it, and I wish there was a better way to do it.
So: I actually do at this point have something pretty akin to “proof” that particular posters are doing misinformation on Lemmy in an organized fashion. If there are any admins that are interested to want to see it, message me privately and let’s talk.
That’s perhaps understandable if it was an isolated comment, but my first comment was in direct response to someone else who said, which I quoted, “we were told it would stop [if] Harris lost!” to which I responded by asking who was saying that because I can’t imagine anyone serious saying that. In fact, that user’s claim could be considered misinformation because it was completely misrepresenting the protest against genocide (but their post remains unmodded because I guess the mod agrees with them). I then went on to point out that the genocide had been going on for over a year by that point and I used “full-throatedly” because although the biden administration were pretending to hold back israel with like one shipment of weapons paused, they were providing israel with everything they needed to completely destroy Gaza.
Comment above would be credited if Lemmy world mods didn’t have well documented history of censorship based on their personal and or regime talking points
On lemmy world, luigi is committing a genocide and Israel did nothing wrong 🤡
luigi is committing a genocide and Israel did nothing wrong 🤡
Okay I don’t agree with your overall point but this really made me laugh.
Hey humor is humor
We all ain’t got to agree, just get a long;)
Don’t worry about a ban from World News
Theres plenty of other world news communities to go to on other servers, if a servers moderation is poor vote with your feet, comments, and posts.
Like, my opinion, man…
Its probably too far to say “full throated support for genocide”, that administration made it very clear they didn’t like what Israel has done to Palestinians. Buut, its also hard to argue that administration didn’t passively support genocide or genocidal behaviour.
Its clearly true to say they supported the collective punishment of a whole people. Thats unambiguous, that administration put the US on the wrong side of history, and international law, something the US was instrumental in supporting, if never adopting.
Friends tell friends when they’re in the wrong, Israel doesn’t have a friend in the US, they’re the US’ unsinkable aircraft carrier.
PTB.
Its probably too far to say “full throated support for genocide”,
The USA is not only supporting the genocide with money and arms; they (and the UK) have also been bombing the only state (Yemen) that has tried to fulfill the international principle of Responsabilty to Protect (R2P) and has deployed their naval army to prevent others states to do it and/or to help with the genocide.
For me, that’s enough to speak of an Israel-USA-UK genocide.
And sorry to go off-topic. 🤷🏽
Edit: added wiki link snd typos
Do you just like using “full-throated”? Lol. That has a completely different meaning for me
I like using the word in this case because it accurately describes the level of support biden has for israel. Coincidentally, he tops the list of recipients of donations from aipac: https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
Come to !news_summary@lemmy.dbzer0.com I don’t enforce my beliefs upon anyone.
Are we allowed to post there though? I see all the posts are by "AINewsBot @lemmy.dbzer0.com
