DeepSeek’s AI breakthrough rivals top models at a fraction of the cost, proving open source innovation is reshaping AI’s future. Is this an AI race or an open vs. closed battle?
Apparently DeepSeek is lying, they were collecting thousands of NVIDIA chips against the US embargo and it’s not about the algorithm. The model’s good results come just from sheer chip volume and energy used. That’s the story I’ve heard and honeslty it sounds legit.
Not sure if this questions has been answered: if it’s open sourced, cant we see what algorithms they used to train it? If we could then we would know the answer. I assume we cant, but if we cant, then whats so cool about it being open source on the other hand? What parts of code are valuable there besides algorithms?
WTF dude. You mentioned Asia. I love Asians. Asia is vast. There are many countries, not just China bro. I think you need to do these reflections.
Im talking about very specific case of Chinese Deepseek devs potentiall lying about the chips. The assumptions and generalizations you are thinking of are crazy.
Well maybe. Apparntly some folks are already doing that but its not done yet. Let’s wait for the results. If everything is legit we should have not one but plenty of similar and better models in near future. If Chinese did this with 100 chips imagine what can be done with 100000 chips that nvidia can sell to a us company
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSr_vwZGF2k
This is what I watched. I base my opinion on this. Im not saying this is true. It just sounded legit enough and I didnt have time to research more. I will gladly follow some links that lead me to content that destroys this guys arguments
My god, the preamble for that thing is so dang long. 13:30 with some AI sponsorship the comments are talking about I may have accidentally skipped over, and only 10:27-11:37 deals with what you’re talking about. The video makes a good point that they have existing operating infrastructure. However, for the stockpiling accusation, the statements that it cites are from the CEO of big competitor “Chips AI”, who cite nothing except “only costing $6 million is impossible, therefore it actually cost more and they must have cheated! I think they have 50,000 illegally imported Nvidia GPUs!” which just sounds like the behavior of a cult ringleader trying to maintain power to me. The other source it cites for this claim is Elon Musk, whose reasoning was “Obviously”.
I just think that no matter whether DeepSeek smuggled or not, an investigation into whether or not they smuggled is of course going to be launched. I do want more transparency regarding where the Singapore billing goes, but that alone is too shaky for conclusions.
There’s so much misinfo spreading about this, and while I don’t blame you for buying it, I do blame you for spreading it. “It sounds legit” is not how you should decide to trust what you read. Many people think the earth is flat because the conspiracy theories sound legit to them.
DeepSeek probably did lie about a lot of things, but their results are not disputed. R1 is competitive with leading models, it’s smaller, and it’s cheaper. The good results are definitely not from “sheer chip volume and energy used”, and American AI companies could have saved a lot of money if they had used those same techniques.
I don’t like this. Everything you’re saying is true, but this argument isn’t persuasive, it’s dehumanizing. Making people feel bad for disagreeing doesn’t convince them to stop disagreeing.
A more enlightened perspective might be “this might be true or it might not be, so I’m keeping an open mind and waiting for more evidence to arrive in the future.”
We already have all the evidence. This isn’t some developing story, the paper is reproducible. What’s dehumanizing is assuming that Asians can’t make good software.
Apparently DeepSeek is lying, they were collecting thousands of NVIDIA chips against the US embargo and it’s not about the algorithm. The model’s good results come just from sheer chip volume and energy used. That’s the story I’ve heard and honeslty it sounds legit.
Not sure if this questions has been answered: if it’s open sourced, cant we see what algorithms they used to train it? If we could then we would know the answer. I assume we cant, but if we cant, then whats so cool about it being open source on the other hand? What parts of code are valuable there besides algorithms?
It’s time for you to do some serious self-reflection about the inherent biases you believe about Asians.
WTF dude. You mentioned Asia. I love Asians. Asia is vast. There are many countries, not just China bro. I think you need to do these reflections. Im talking about very specific case of Chinese Deepseek devs potentiall lying about the chips. The assumptions and generalizations you are thinking of are crazy.
And how do your feelings stand up to the fact that independent researchers find the paper to be reproducible?
Well maybe. Apparntly some folks are already doing that but its not done yet. Let’s wait for the results. If everything is legit we should have not one but plenty of similar and better models in near future. If Chinese did this with 100 chips imagine what can be done with 100000 chips that nvidia can sell to a us company
Sauce?
internet
Elaborate? Link? Please tell me this is not just an “allegedly”.
It’s your burden of proof, bud.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSr_vwZGF2k This is what I watched. I base my opinion on this. Im not saying this is true. It just sounded legit enough and I didnt have time to research more. I will gladly follow some links that lead me to content that destroys this guys arguments
My god, the preamble for that thing is so dang long. 13:30 with some AI sponsorship the comments are talking about I may have accidentally skipped over, and only 10:27-11:37 deals with what you’re talking about. The video makes a good point that they have existing operating infrastructure. However, for the stockpiling accusation, the statements that it cites are from the CEO of big competitor “Chips AI”, who cite nothing except “only costing $6 million is impossible, therefore it actually cost more and they must have cheated! I think they have 50,000 illegally imported Nvidia GPUs!” which just sounds like the behavior of a cult ringleader trying to maintain power to me. The other source it cites for this claim is Elon Musk, whose reasoning was “Obviously”.
This is after all, a court of law.
I just think that no matter whether DeepSeek smuggled or not, an investigation into whether or not they smuggled is of course going to be launched. I do want more transparency regarding where the Singapore billing goes, but that alone is too shaky for conclusions.
No one here is going to be involved with any of it.
um, yeah?
So stop trying to grill people as if anyone here is a lawyer.
It’s open sauce.
Cope be strong in this one lol
There’s so much misinfo spreading about this, and while I don’t blame you for buying it, I do blame you for spreading it. “It sounds legit” is not how you should decide to trust what you read. Many people think the earth is flat because the conspiracy theories sound legit to them.
DeepSeek probably did lie about a lot of things, but their results are not disputed. R1 is competitive with leading models, it’s smaller, and it’s cheaper. The good results are definitely not from “sheer chip volume and energy used”, and American AI companies could have saved a lot of money if they had used those same techniques.
“China bad”
*sounds legit
Sounds legit is what one hears about FUD spread by alglophone media every time the US oligarchy is caught with their pants down.
Snowden: “US is illegally spying on everyone”
Media: Snowden is Russia spy
*Sounds legit
France: US should not unilaterally invade a country
Media: Iraq is full of WMDs
*Sounds legit
DeepSeek: Guys, distillation and body of experts is a way to save money and energy, here’s a paper on how to do same.
Media: China bad, deepseek must be cheating
*Sounds legit
This is your brain on Chinese/Russian propaganda.
Can you point out any factual inaccuracies or is it just that your wittew fee-fees got hurt?
I don’t like this. Everything you’re saying is true, but this argument isn’t persuasive, it’s dehumanizing. Making people feel bad for disagreeing doesn’t convince them to stop disagreeing.
A more enlightened perspective might be “this might be true or it might not be, so I’m keeping an open mind and waiting for more evidence to arrive in the future.”
Yup. Thats internet nowadays. Full of comments like this. Cant do muich about it
Sounds legit
We already have all the evidence. This isn’t some developing story, the paper is reproducible. What’s dehumanizing is assuming that Asians can’t make good software.
Snowden really proved he wasn’t a Russian spy when he… check notes… immediately fled to Russia with troves of American secrets…
Russia wasn’t his final destiny. He was en route to somewhere else when his passport was revoked.