• Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
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    I actually agree with this comic, feminism has been hijacked by career sociopaths who treat misandry as a guiding principal, but it’s sexist to talk about that.

    I’m not saying that equality between the sexes or women’s liberation is inherently bad, but we need to ask if we’re demonizing men and if men deserve it, and the answers are yes and no.

    That’s not to say women are not in danger of sexual violence, we’re the primary targets of it, but surely we can’t just write off an entire group as being… characterized specifically by this behavior.

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      When you say “feminism has been hijacked by career sociopaths” what are you specifically talking about?

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          They are literally doing the exact same thing as the guy in the comic but have too much cognitive dissonance to realise it.

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        Before I came out as trans, I was blamed for every problem women faced simply for existing, afterwards, I continue to be blamed for every problem women face simply by existing… only now it’s not just by TERFs, it’s also by the actual people creating problems for women.

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          And now you blame feminists? It’s kinda astounding that your life experiences haven’t taught you what nonsense stereotypes and generalisations are.

          …I guess it is kinda in theme with the comic though. Assuming that all trans people would get that would be just as generalising, and very apparently wrong.

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            Friend I grew up watching various PSAs that showed boys as dumb and corrupt while talking all this “GIRL POWER! A WOMAN CAN DO ANYHTING A MAN CAN DO BECAUSE MEN ARE STUPID!” crap, how do you think that makes a boy feel? Especially when he doesn’t even want to be a boy to begin with!?!

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              And what does that have to do with feminism?

              All this comic does is emphasise how stupid it would be to lump all feminists together. If you deny this you are doing exactly the same thing as those you’re complaining about.

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                  All feminists?

                  Because if we had a mandatory global meeting I sure as hell missed my invitation.

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                    They never stated “all feminists,” they said as a movement, feminism has had a lot of messaging that is anti men which was somewhat mainstream in the movement (commercials being played of girl smart boy dumb). I don’t know how common it is but it has absolutely been a noticeable part of feminism intentionally or not.

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              Man, I’m sorry that you’re literally sharing a childhood traumatizing experience, and ppl can’t even empathize and are even attacking you. Proof that if you don’t tow the party line, it doesn’t matter what your background is.

              If it’s all about only the message approved, then they aren’t really what they claim to be.

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                Proof that if you don’t tow the party line, it doesn’t matter what your background is.

                Well, yeah? What’s the alternative? “If we like your background it doesn’t really matter what positions you hold - trans people should be allowed generalise a bit and trash feminism, as a treat”?!

                I’m queer myself. I will hold you responsible for your words, no matter your background. Especially when it comes to feminism. And that obviously includes women of all backgrounds. If anything I expect more solidarity from them, not less.

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                  The alternative is not what youre thinking likely. The alternative is something more nuanced than this-or-that thinking. Something where everyone that’s not bigoted is recognized and considered. Not just a single group.

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                    The alternative is not what youre thinking likely. The alternative is something more nuanced than this-or-that thinking. Something where everyone that’s not bigoted is recognized and considered. Not just a single group.

                    But working against feminism is bigoted. I feel sorry if someone acts destructively because they had a horrible childhood - nevertheless, acting destructively in itself shouldn’t be tolerated.

                    I mean who actually benefits from ruining the reputation of feminism? Probably the very people who hurt Queen HawlSera as a child. We’re not doing kids like her any favors by allowing that.

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      I actually agree with this comic, feminism has been hijacked by career sociopaths who treat misandry as a guiding principal, but it’s sexist to talk about that.

      I’m sure that is not what the comic is trying to say. From what you’ve said, you actually disagree with the message of the comic.

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        If it’s wrong to categorize all feminists in a bubble, then it’s wrong to categorize all men in a bubble, and since criminalizing masculinity is a goal of feminism, this comic debunks the bigoted movement.

        If you really care about equality between the sexes, call yourself an Egalitarian. I will not be aligned with bigotry. Only difference between an Incel and a Radical Feminist is the plumbing of the cult leader.

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          and since criminalizing masculinity is a goal of feminism

          This is factually incorrect.

          Feminism is about equality and freedom of choice for women. Feminists in the real world are everyone who supports this, whether they apply the label to themselves or not.

          You vehemently perpetuating false information is part of why some people think feminism is bad. Stop.

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      Do you talk with many feminists? Because it sounds like you have confused reality with a conservative straw man of feminists.