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      Better off just drawing the nose holes IMO. Maybe a little line. Also : why the pig pink in the nose but not on the face??

      But then again, those kind of things are usually so that you recognise the comics.

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        I recently got a tip from a friend, that drawing just the shadow a nose creates (so kinda a skewed pear-like shape) looks much better than the sharp lines people usually use for noses.

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          This is good advice, from the front there is no outline for the nose (except the nostrils), so if you only do outlines you have to be creative.

          Usually the light hits from one side too (if you think about lighting), so you’d draw only “half the pear”. Looks better IMO but both goes very well.

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    This is part of thing with anything. Whos definition of feminism whos definition of communism. Jane Adams feminism. Hell yeah. But then some celebrity in the 80’s was arguing against physical fitness tests for firefighters saying well they could use like power axes or something (which you know. did not exist). Which is sorta funny to me because its sorta dissing on womens ability to pass the tests. Its like there are women who can pass the tests. Its not beyond them. Felt antifeminist to me.

    EDITED - I think it was Gloria Steinem

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      But then some celebrity in the 80’s was arguing against physical fitness tests for firefighters saying well they could use like power axes or something (which you know. did not exist).

      Who? I feel like a huge issue here is saying anyone who is a woman and says a thing = feminism. I know dozens of firefighters who are women, they pass the tests all the time. (My brother is a volunteer firefighter in BC, Canada.)

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        They are probably referring to Brenda Berkman who successfully sued the NY dept because they could not prove that the requirements of the test matched the actual conditions firefighters face: that as soon as women started applying they added a new condition that they had to meet speed requirements of carrying an unresponsive body up a burning building: something that you simply wouldn’t do.

        The moment they reverted the test to what men had previously had to accomplish, 41 women passed with flying colors.

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        sorry. she was actually a big feminist at the time and she mentioned as part of a feminist talk interview but for the life of me her name escapes me. Honestly any use of the term patriarchy pretty much makes me tune out given the system has plenty of women enabling it. When it comes down to it things are more rich/poor to me than anything else.

        EDITED - I think it was Gloria Steinem

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      It’s why I don’t like applying labels to myself. Just seems like a reason for people to try to start shit or discount your opinions as soon as they can find a reason to “other” you. There are shitty people claiming allegiance to all factions.

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    I actually agree with this comic, feminism has been hijacked by career sociopaths who treat misandry as a guiding principal, but it’s sexist to talk about that.

    I’m not saying that equality between the sexes or women’s liberation is inherently bad, but we need to ask if we’re demonizing men and if men deserve it, and the answers are yes and no.

    That’s not to say women are not in danger of sexual violence, we’re the primary targets of it, but surely we can’t just write off an entire group as being… characterized specifically by this behavior.

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      When you say “feminism has been hijacked by career sociopaths” what are you specifically talking about?

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          They are literally doing the exact same thing as the guy in the comic but have too much cognitive dissonance to realise it.

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        Before I came out as trans, I was blamed for every problem women faced simply for existing, afterwards, I continue to be blamed for every problem women face simply by existing… only now it’s not just by TERFs, it’s also by the actual people creating problems for women.

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          And now you blame feminists? It’s kinda astounding that your life experiences haven’t taught you what nonsense stereotypes and generalisations are.

          …I guess it is kinda in theme with the comic though. Assuming that all trans people would get that would be just as generalising, and very apparently wrong.

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            Friend I grew up watching various PSAs that showed boys as dumb and corrupt while talking all this “GIRL POWER! A WOMAN CAN DO ANYHTING A MAN CAN DO BECAUSE MEN ARE STUPID!” crap, how do you think that makes a boy feel? Especially when he doesn’t even want to be a boy to begin with!?!

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              Man, I’m sorry that you’re literally sharing a childhood traumatizing experience, and ppl can’t even empathize and are even attacking you. Proof that if you don’t tow the party line, it doesn’t matter what your background is.

              If it’s all about only the message approved, then they aren’t really what they claim to be.

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                Proof that if you don’t tow the party line, it doesn’t matter what your background is.

                Well, yeah? What’s the alternative? “If we like your background it doesn’t really matter what positions you hold - trans people should be allowed generalise a bit and trash feminism, as a treat”?!

                I’m queer myself. I will hold you responsible for your words, no matter your background. Especially when it comes to feminism. And that obviously includes women of all backgrounds. If anything I expect more solidarity from them, not less.

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                  The alternative is not what youre thinking likely. The alternative is something more nuanced than this-or-that thinking. Something where everyone that’s not bigoted is recognized and considered. Not just a single group.

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              And what does that have to do with feminism?

              All this comic does is emphasise how stupid it would be to lump all feminists together. If you deny this you are doing exactly the same thing as those you’re complaining about.

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      I actually agree with this comic, feminism has been hijacked by career sociopaths who treat misandry as a guiding principal, but it’s sexist to talk about that.

      I’m sure that is not what the comic is trying to say. From what you’ve said, you actually disagree with the message of the comic.

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        If it’s wrong to categorize all feminists in a bubble, then it’s wrong to categorize all men in a bubble, and since criminalizing masculinity is a goal of feminism, this comic debunks the bigoted movement.

        If you really care about equality between the sexes, call yourself an Egalitarian. I will not be aligned with bigotry. Only difference between an Incel and a Radical Feminist is the plumbing of the cult leader.

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          and since criminalizing masculinity is a goal of feminism

          This is factually incorrect.

          Feminism is about equality and freedom of choice for women. Feminists in the real world are everyone who supports this, whether they apply the label to themselves or not.

          You vehemently perpetuating false information is part of why some people think feminism is bad. Stop.

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      Do you talk with many feminists? Because it sounds like you have confused reality with a conservative straw man of feminists.

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    I mean I’m a single straight dude and I’m pretty much certain guys are trash.

    So while not all feminists might think that, I could give them plenty of examples of all guys being trash

    Edit: a bit too many of you took this way too seriously, it’s a fucking comic strip.

    Yes not all guys are trash, but the number of times I have to call my friends out on something like “women expecting too much of us because they get paid less.” Like no, women expecting equality is not expecting too much.

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      By that logic all women are trash too. I could give examples of just about every woman I know doing shitty things. Nobody’s perfect. People do shitty things. Sometimes it’s just here and there. Sometimes it’s a consistent pattern of behavior. All men and all women are not consistently bad, some are. If your friends are consistently like that you have bad friends. I have had to explain shit to my friends on occasion and I’ve had to have things explained to me. It happens but it’s far from a consistent thing and we’ve all gotten better as we’ve grown and broadened our perspective.