• finitebanjo@lemmy.world
    8123·
    11 days ago

    So this was paid for and published by Commintern, The Communist International, also known as the Third International which operated from 1919 to 1943. This was published in the 1930s while Joseph Stalin was in charge.

    The fact that some people would post this unironically when the person who sent this message was notorious for the iron-fucking-curtain is beyond stupid.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
        823·
        10 days ago

        Maybe instead of leaning on the message of fascists you could express your concerns in some other way. One that doesn’t degrade yourself in the process. Like making your own comics with your own words.

        • NewDark@lemmings.world
          225·
          10 days ago

          The communists werent fascist, they were communist.

          I didn’t think I’d need to say that but here we are.

          • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
            612·
            10 days ago

            The 1930s USSR was squarely under the rule of Joseph Stalin, a brutal dictator. It was a time of mass starvation and persecution.

            • NewDark@lemmings.world
              165·
              10 days ago

              Authoritarian is not fascism. It is a component, but communism and fascism are not even close to synonymous.

              There was one famine from mismanagement, and Stalin wasn’t a great guy but this shit is really overblown.

              • JLock17@lemmy.worldEnglish
                41·
                10 days ago

                I’m surprised the comments seem to be defending authoritarianism like it’s any more acceptable than fascism. “Stalin may have had millions of people killed and fueled the negative reputation of communism world wide for nearly a century, but at least he wasn’t a fascist.”. I don’t seem to understand why democratic social ownership is considered a worse alternative than letting a centralized tyrannical government harm people unchecked.

                • LillyPip@lemmy.ca
                  2·
                  10 days ago

                  I’m not defending anything like that, but:

                  1. Authoritarian != communism. Authoritarianism applies equally to communism and fascism. The latter two describe ideology, where ‘authoritarian’ describes scale. Your sentence is like if I said I I use reds, not apples, in my pies. It sort of makes sense, but not really.

                  2. You said: ‘I don’t seem to understand why democratic social ownership is considered a worse alternative’ yes, exactly! That’s socialism, which is an economic – not a political – system. You can combine that with democracy or communism or fascism.

                  I really recommend you learn what all these terms mean, because it’s not only super fascinating, but we can each understand and communicate better when we can build upon common concepts.

                • frog_brawler@lemmy.world
                  21·
                  10 days ago

                  Words have meanings - if people start calling left-leaning authoritarians “fascists” and no one corrects them, the red-hats will never understand how to differentiate; or why to differentiate.

                • NewDark@lemmings.world
                  23·
                  10 days ago

                  “shooting a home invader and killing the neighbor next door are both violent killings, so we should classify them both as murder” - you, probably.

              • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
                27·
                10 days ago

                I’m using the definition of fascism as it relates to dictator advocacy. I know that confuses a lot of people who associate socialism with left and fascism with right, but it is proper use of the term.

                The etymology is rooted in Italian authoritarianism from root words meaning a political gathering of men.

            • LillyPip@lemmy.ca
              52·
              10 days ago

              Yes. And communist, fascist, and dictator mean 3 very different things. I used to think they were synonymous, too, but they’re not.

              Communist and fascist are polar opposites. Authoritarian is the extremes of both sides. A dictator can exist at any point in the spectrum, and isn’t unique to any side.

              It really does help if we can agree what words mean.

                • LillyPip@lemmy.ca
                  22·
                  10 days ago

                  Of course. Many nations have been 2 of the three. But nobody has ever been all 3, because 2 are antithetical to one another.

                  e: obv the USSR was communist and authoritarian. Who said they weren’t?

      • NewDark@lemmings.world
        55·
        10 days ago

        And revolutionary talk will get you sent to prison to be slave labor for a private prison industry.

          • NewDark@lemmings.world
            13·
            10 days ago

            Just recently someone was made an example of by saying “Deny, Delay, Depose” on a phone call. However, you’ll know that revolution is inherintly violent as those with the means won’t give them up without violence. Calls for violence are not covered under free speech, no matter the context.

            But regardless what people are imprisoned for, the US disproportionately imprisons far more people per capita than any other developed nation. 4% of the world’s people, 25% of the world’s prison population is in the United States. We do it to perpetuate slavery through a loophole in the constitution. We do gulag shit man.

    • JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee
      105·
      10 days ago

      [Response copied and pasted from a crosspost that copied and pasted the comment this is in response to]

      My current opinion is, a message can be good or bad regardless of the source. That can have exception when there’s hidden implication of support for evil deeds (ex. all lives matter). In this case, I can recognize the truth in this message that still resonates today and don’t see the implication of support for the entirety of Stalin’s actions. Also, bringing up the iron curtain is actual pretty ironic, given that was about isolationism and this comic is (at least on the surface) anti-isolationist.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
        510·
        10 days ago

        My current opinion is, don’t align yourself with dictators and you won’t get called out for promoting authoritarian hellscapes.

        • JeSuisUnHombre@lemm.ee
          92·
          10 days ago

          Lol that’s actually a bad opinion. You absolutely will get called out for promoting authoritarian hellscapes by supporting neo-liberal politicians who are not dictators. You may not agree with the call out, but it will still happen.

    • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee
      51·
      10 days ago

      Reminds me of this quoted exchange I read in Stalin’s biography recently. Situation is Stalin being increasingly irritated with Molotov, his long-time comrade and lashing out at a meeting, in 1941 (before the war)

      Stalin did not con­ceal his dis­ap­proval of Mo­lotov. He very im­pa­tiently listened to Mo­lotov’s rather pro­lix re­sponses to com­ments from mem­bers of the Bur­eau.… It seemed as if Stalin was at­tack­ing Mo­lotov as an ad­versary and that he was do­ing so from a po­s­i­tion of strength.… Mo­lotov’s breath­ing began to quicken, and at times he would let out a deep sigh. He fid­geted on his stool and mur­mured some­thing to him­self. By the end he could take it no longer:

      “Easier said than done,” Mo­lotov pro­nounced in a low but cut­ting voice. Stalin picked up [Mo­lotov’s] words.

      “It has long been well-known,” said Stalin, “that the per­son who is afraid of cri­ti­cism is a cow­ard.”

      Mo­lotov winced, but kept quiet—the other mem­bers of the Polit­buro sat si­lently, bury­ing their noses in the pa­pers.… At this meet­ing I was again con­vinced of the power and great­ness of Stalin. Stalin’s com­pan­ions feared him like the devil. They would agree with him on prac­tic­ally any­thing

      I’m willing to bet everyone in that meeting almost drowned in the irony but also deathly afraid to say anything

    • meowMix2525@lemm.ee
      33·
      10 days ago

      Not only are you completely wrong about what fascism is, you are arguing that since the Comintern, an international committee, published a political cartoon, that Stalin personally made and published it single-handedly. This is stupid, there is no way that Stalin could personally run around and do everything the government did in the Soviet Union. That would be a practically superhuman feat.

      • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
        24·
        10 days ago

        Ah you’re right, we should all get together and protest this by agreeing with Hitler or something. /sarcasm

        • Verito@lemm.ee
          43·
          10 days ago

          Last time I checked the history books, it was the Soviet Union under Stalin that rolled into Berlin. You can’t even see your own cognitive dissonance over calling the person that literally fought Hitler, Hitler? Plus, you’ve done nothing to address the fact that the cartoon you posted is literally true and posted on the same front pages of Lemmy? You’ve clearly been subjected to some wild capitalist bullshit. My condolences.

          • finitebanjo@lemmy.world
            12·
            10 days ago

            Yes I’m sure the Soviets went out of their way out of the goodness of their hearts to fight the nazis. It definitely wasn’t a brawl between two beasts sharing a predatory territory wherein to the victor went the spoils.

  • fckreddit@lemmy.ml
    262·
    11 days ago

    “Public opinion exists only where there are no ideas.”- Oscar Wilde.

    I think public opinion is overrated. Too many fools in the public. Just look at MAGA idiots in US.

  • Atmoro@lemmy.world
    101·
    10 days ago

    With every person dedicated to getting more people onto Linux Distros, Fediverse, and ATProtocol apps that just shines the light more and makes it a lot harder for them to spread lies or project their “power”

    Linux Distros for Desktop:

    Linux Mint Pop!_OS (Should be called Cosmic OS, sounds better) Fedora Workstation Asahi Fedora Remix

    Mobile Android Alt Distros:

    LineageOS GrapheneOS

    For Fediverse Apps:

    Mastodon Pixelfed PeerTube Lemmy Diaspora Friendica

    For ATProtocol Apps:

    Bluesky Pinksky Flashes Spark

    Let’s spread the word ladies and gentlemen!!

    • DNS@discuss.online
      7·
      10 days ago

      I got banned from Reddit for suggesting doing what the French did. I got banned for that suggestive language despite a corporation having no qualms in harboring actual Nazi’s who spread their message through loose doublespeak.

      Free speech is not a right on social media, especially a privately owned forum that wants you to stay longer on their site for advertisement money.

  • Justin@lemmy.jlh.name
    52·
    10 days ago

    pretty sure there’s plenty of socialism online, I don’t think the capitalists are hiding people from that.

  • DMCMNFIBFFF@lemmy.world
    53·
    9 days ago

    IIUC,

    the US had/has a Communist party, and you could probably sell copies of Pravda;

    while the USSR had no liberal party, and it’s doubtful you could have a copy of the NYT.

  • Tja@programming.dev
    99·
    10 days ago

    A stalinist comic about freedom of the press. Do you have one about the futility of mustaches, too?