The global backlash against the second Donald Trump administration keeps on growing. Canadians have boycotted US-made products, anti–Elon Musk posters have appeared across London amid widespread Tesla protests, and European officials have drastically increased military spending as US support for Ukraine falters. Dominant US tech services may be the next focus.
There are early signs that some European companies and governments are souring on their use of American cloud services provided by the three so-called hyperscalers. Between them, Google Cloud, Microsoft Azure, and Amazon Web Services (AWS) host vast swathes of the Internet and keep thousands of businesses running. However, some organizations appear to be reconsidering their use of these companies’ cloud services—including servers, storage, and databases—citing uncertainties around privacy and data access fears under the Trump administration.
“There’s a huge appetite in Europe to de-risk or decouple the over-dependence on US tech companies, because there is a concern that they could be weaponized against European interests,” says Marietje Schaake, a nonresident fellow at Stanford’s Cyber Policy Center and a former decadelong member of the European Parliament.
They need to look into using alternative root servers for DNS and domain registrations as well.
All hypothetical of course. Not convinced things will go that far without some more clear indicators.
The root servers are already spread over the globe. Enough of them are operated by non US orgs too to handle things initially, I suspect that the localised anycast servers located outside the US for those USA based operators would probably go on serving.
It’d be trivial to replace them anyway, and frankly we traffic would be much lower anyway since a lot of the Internet is run by us based organisations.
For domain registration on tlds not run by the us, they should continue to operate fine.
Multiple countries in Europe are already working overtime to rat-fuck DNS. I’d prefer if euro-leadership remained blissfully unaware of the root DNS servers.
What do u mean?
There are several governments in Europe and abroad that have ordered DNS lookups for specific domains to be blocked.
They probably mean that we can’t trust the government to keep information free and need a way to restrict governments from blocking DNS lookups.
Unfortunately, you can’t really do DNS in a decentralized manner as the concept is based on a hirarchy.
Example:
If you want to go to www.coolsite.org your computer would make the following requests:
- Hey root server, who handles requests for .org?
- Hey .org DNS server, who handles requests for .coolsite.org?
- Hey .coolsite.org DNS server, who is www.coolsite.org?
I don’t really know how to decentralize this…
Unfortunately, you can’t really do DNS in a decentralized manner as the concept is based on a hirarchy.
You very much can! As long as you understand that every . is a new level of hierarchy. And that hierarchy can be arranged, in any manner one desires. You can even have a different . as the root.
For example, you can be THE ROOT for all .stoy domains. You just have to get others to honor that, and ask you for addresses of anything in .stoy’s inventory. Of course, they can all tell you to piss off, and instead trust someone else is the true owner of .stoy.
And, honestly? Nothing at all is wrong with that!
What is wrong is right now, EVERYONE agrees that a handful of never-changing owners of .com, .org, .net domains (And other TLDs) is THE ONE TRUE ANSWER FOR US ALL. I didn’t agree to that. Did you? Do you enjoy Verisign being the one true keeper of .com?
Thank you for clarifying the issue better than I did!
We have I-Root and K-Root in Europe, these are certainly used…
Nextcloud
Not really the same thing, LoadBalancer, VM, Managed service such as database, secret manager and far more are provided by the likes of Aws and GCP. Sadly the alternatives in Europe such as OVH Cloud are not really on the same level…
I’m increasingly seeing ads about Canadian cloud hosting services. I just hope companies stat to look at local solutions seriously.
I wonder if I should sell my Microsoft stock.
In my immediate vicinity I can see a trend to insource critical infrastructure again. Not necessarily to their own servers but towards certified European data centers. Sometimes they manage to cut costs at the same time as the pricing structure for the big three is so in-transparent that they wasted a lot on unneeded resources.
in-transparent
As a helpful FYI the word you were looking for there was “opaque”.
We’re looking at scaleway. They seem pretty decent so far.
Using what OS, Microsoft Windows I assume?
Mate, Linux is so simple my 70 year old dad can use it, I’m using opensuse (German) right now, but he is on Ubuntu (British) both are solid choices that a monkey could install and use.
Out code runs on Linux containers, so no Windows needed. Personally, I use OpenSuSE, but the containers use Alpine.
In just see no alternative to Microsofts Office tools. I think 99% of all companies in Western world rely on Microsoft office.
technically libreoffice exists, they really need to fix office comparability though
Those are moving goalposts. The LibreOffice devs do their best, but they’ll always be a step behind. The correct solution is to get people to move away from closed yet ever-changing standards made by monoliths who wish to retain a monopoly.
Note that I’m not saying that’s easy or even possible. Only that it’s correct.
I’ve never had compatibility issues. Of course many people have, but a lot of the time people are blindly speculating about potential badness.
No, they just need to enforce PDFs for things that leave an office so everyone else isn’t locked into loading and running a bloated mess just to view a read-only spreadsheet.
The analogue to the printed chart isn’t an XLS6 attached to e-mail. It’s a PDF.
That’s it. Done.
I’d prefer a Wiki style software that exports to PDF. Why aren’t we all using wiki’s, with build in version control and diagramming, like Confluence, Youtrack, etc…?
Maybe we go back to p2p, public key encryption and desktop apps. ipfs can store all the data in the distributed manner and gov can pay citizens for keeping data as a tax exception. But who I am to question building big corporations over and over again.
P2P has insane latency and is not applicable to most industries. It’s a decent idea for back ups though. P2P also has insane energy costs. It’s not as bad as BitCoins, but it will destroy our planet for sure.
I think that cloud costs are pretty much hidden under the corporate curtain. Things like water usage, energy usage for those 24/7 running servers, amount of servers that are running and not doing anything, finally the environmental impact around those big blocks of servers are pretty much not existent in the media.
Torrent sharing is doing fine.
Also doing same things over and over again because USA have it so Europe must have it to is not the way to go for me. I think Europe need it’s own way for technology and have all the bits to do it. I’m not saying that Europe should do the youtube in p2p manner because that’s insane but gov administration and countries beurocracy can go p2p.
P2P energy cost will be way less in my opinion. The servers don’t need to be online 24/7 if you think about it, for office workers they just need them when they are working. For people you can just request old data on demand and spin up server once per week to send bunch of encrypted emails. We’re used to that internet is instant but gov shouldn’t be instant it should be slow and stable so you don’t get punished, that’s completly oposite from what mainstream media internet is.
Cloud costs are super low. That’s why clouds are so cheap - every penny is optimised, because it eats into profits. P2P is extremely expensive and resource intensive.
Torrents are not doing fine, torrents are a really good example of huge resource waste, latency and stability issues. And, contrary to your opinion, it’s better to make YouTube P2P than gov services. Because YouTube is not sensitive to latency and doesn’t require stability or security.
Your idea that gov services should not be instant is just bonkers.
In any case, P2P is useless, insecure, slow and power hungry. And, once again, it shouldn’t be used for anything but back ups.
I think we can end discussion here because what you wrote is completly not true.
Do you even know what P2P stands for ? Do you know that you use P2P every day and all the time, for example by using HTTP2/QUIC.
You need 0 resources to run P2P network.Cloud computing costs are way higher than colocating server anywhere. Many companies are moving out from cloud after facing high costs. The only place cloud is shining is when you want to spin up many resources for a short period of time. And that is because we don’t have kind of computing power provider on the market where you could spin up many resources from many local computers.
Do you even know why cloud took of 20 years ago ? Have you been using internet 20 years ago ? Compare connection speed of local houshold from 20 years ago with speed right now. Compare mobile internet plan and think how it changed.
You have no idea what you are writing about.
You’re utterly delusional. I work in the industry for over 20 years.
You suck brest milk for over 20 years ?
Europe broke their own procurement laws to use Microsoft, they have so many own goals they may as well just accept their fate.
I’ve been closing all my US based accounts recently. I was looking for a non US based Password manager service a couple of days ago. I used european-alternatives.eu and looked at a couple of options before settling on “Heylogin” it is so good I thought I had better recommend it to others… oh and I dumped chat GPT for chat.mistral.ai a couple of weeks ago, I recommend giving it a go.
Wait, what, password manager service? Not selfhost, you entrust someone else with your passwords?
GOP: What if we used culture war as a way to shoot the economy in the balls?
Trump & Musk: Waaaaay ahead of ya!
The appeal of someone else’s cloud for companies was that it was cheaper because of professionalization. But then enshitification hit and they got more expensive too. And the most sovereign cloud is your own.
Lol so are we in the USA
Its good to see that Americans are just following Dear Leader into the abyss.
? The point of searching for alternatives to USA Big Tech is to not follow some old man who doesn’t even understand it all. I don’t see how your comment follows.
Well, maybe you don’t understand the context of the OP, but we Europeans are leaving US tech behind due to your current president starting an unwarranted trade war with all of the US’s (former) allies.
I was praising you, or any american really, who’s sabotaging the current administration instead of just living life as usual. That’s how my comment follows.
It will be hard to do if AWS is 1/3 to 1/2 of the cloud space, originally people wanted to move on from AWS to Ms or even Google. They will have to develop something equivalent or equal
