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I use moneydance for finance, it’s $50 for the current version, as of now they give you one free version upgrade, with no requirement to upgrade again if you are satisfied.
It has a learning curve and isn’t the prettiest but I’ve been satisfied with managing my transactions and running reports.
What it lacks though is a decent budget extension.
Until they revoke your lifetime purchase and put the new updates under a sub…
Discover FOSS software. Just be sure to toss some donations to your favorite projects.
Imma be straight up. Donations are cool but not a lot of people give donations. partly because some are skint (i used to be) but mainly because people just don’t know.
i feel like the biggest issue that foss projects face is the fact that they don’t ask for donations in a way that the average user knows about. Kde sends a notification around christmas asking for donos. I haven’t seen any other foss app do anything similar.
I give donations, but way less than I’d like (less in terms of quantity of recipients, not the total financial quantity).
What I’d love (not only for FOSS, but also stuff like podcasts and other things I’m donating to regularly) would be a service where I can set a budget and select the software and tools I use and it splits it up automatically.
I don’t mind donating, but I hate managing it, having dozens of small transactions for it, and I feel like I’m forgetting to donate to like 90+% of the stuff I’m using. Also, with payment provider’s fees it’s often not worth it to donate <1€ a month, so bundling transactions would be way more effective - for me as the user as well as the recipients who’d get one transaction once a month from said service rather than hundreds of small ones.
I never really understood why e.g. Patreon doesn’t offer this. You can’t expect perks with this because the perks probably will start higher than what’s the breakdown of each recipient woild be at a reasonable budget, but the advantage would be that (mostly) everyone would get a piece of your cake, rather than like 5 of the 500 different creators/developers/… you’re using content/software of.
A lot of them have a donate button on their download page.
I understand that but think about it. As a Linux user, i don’t go to dowload pages. I simply
apt installorpacman -Sor change myconfiguration.nix. I will never see that donate button unless I go to the project’s page.I go to my favorite software’s pages from time to time to see what they’re up to. Also, there are a few pieces that I have to visit the site for news when a non-free dependancy updates.
Software maintenance does cost a lot, it’s a full time job. Most people doesn’t pay foss or any at all ( winrar or total commander case ). Most people won’t be able to maintain or adjust foss on their own… Foss doesn’t work forever ( it’s a pain to deeply depend on foss which stops being maintained ). It’s a reality that 1 year fallback license is necessary evil
I prefer the model where you buy updates if you want or need them
Shady practices.
They make program/editor pay 99$ to be listed and the link all redirect to a subscribe page sling for an email.
I think paid open source like GPL Blender addons from BlenderMarket, Gumroad, etc. is a good option. You pay for it to support the devs while also owning what you bought.
I’ve bought way too much software that suddenly abandons their product to launch a new subscription based version.
I’d rather choose FOSS than anything payed.
also nearly all of the stuff on that site looks like garbage that will do exactly what you said.
and yes I looked at every single program… there aren’t that many
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_free_and_open-source_software_packages
Buy never software
Act like a real man. But free and open source software because the devs deserve your money for their free work
FOSS is notoriously low quality and can disappear at any given time when the developer(s) lose motivation. Don’t get me wrong, I love them too, but I’ll also gladly pay for something more polished and sustainable.
Proprietary software is also notoriously low-quality and can disappear at any time when the developer loses motivation. Additionally, because the software is closed source, nobody else is able to continue the development of proprietary abandonware. On the other hand, abandoned FOSS projects can be forked and continued, which is something I see often.
Proprietary software is also notoriously low-quality and can disappear at any time
This is just a false equivalency. Do both of those things happen in both cases? Sure. Does it happen WAY more often with FOSS? Also yes. Just go through F-Droid or Flathub and look at the long list of apps that haven’t been updated in years.
Paid software is typically not something someone does in their free time to fill a resume for a real job. It’s something they are able to dedicate real time to because it pays their bills and they have obligations to their paying users. They can also hire other people who also gets their bills paid and have similar obligations.
Neither one is inherently better.
When you look at any app store, you’ll find that the many apps that are infested with ads, spyware, malware, and dark patterns are pretty much always proprietary. Conversely, any FOSS application that tries to introduce such garbage would be forked to remove these offending attributes, which makes FOSS much higher-quality than proprietary software in general.
You are using false equivalence by incorrectly implying that proprietary software is commercial while FOSS is not. Both FOSS and proprietary software can be sold and commercialized with various monetization strategies. For example, you are currently using Lemmy, a FOSS social network whose development is funded by donations. Nobody here believes that Reddit is better on the basis that it is proprietary adware instead of FOSS.
Free and open source software licenses provide users the right to use, modify, and redistribute the software. Proprietary software does not. That difference makes FOSS inherently better for users than proprietary software.
When you look at any app store, you’ll find that the many apps that are infested with ads, spyware, malware, and dark patterns are pretty much always proprietary
Right, because FOSS software never has any of that…
which makes FOSS much higher-quality than proprietary software in general.
That’s not how that works. There’s plenty of paid software that doesn’t have any of those things.
Both FOSS and proprietary software can be sold and commercialized with various monetization strategies.
You’re just arguing pointless semantics now.
Nobody here believes that Reddit is better on the basis that it is proprietary adware instead of FOSS.
You’re cherry-picking.
That difference makes FOSS inherently better for users than proprietary software.
No. It absolutely does not. Why do I care if you can “use, modify and redistribute” trash software?
FOSS adware and spyware apps are rare because it’s trivial to fork it and remove the undesirable elements. Users have every incentive to use the ad-free and spyware-free forks, which eventually causes the superior user-friendly forks to overtake the originals. However, proprietary adware and spyware apps cannot be forked in the same way, preventing users from stripping out the ads and tracking. The ability to use, modify, and redistribute “trash software” allows anyone to transform FOSS with undesirable elements into excellent software by removing such elements, whereas proprietary “trash software” remains trashy.
You can also go on the play store and find a huge list of proprietary apps that haven’t been updated.
You need some actual stats to back up this point. Plenty of proprietary software is unsuccessful because it fails to profit, so its shut down. At least FOSS software will continue as long as someone finds it useful enough to keep it going. Plus the obvious, that if you like a piece of software you can maintain it yourself.
Also saying that FOSS software is “notoriously low quality” is silly. There’s tons of great and important FOSS software and plenty of shit FOSS software, just like proprietary software. Your comments just ignore how much proprietary shovelware exists.
You can also go on the play store and find a huge list of proprietary apps that haven’t been updated.
Once again, false equivalency.
Also saying that FOSS software is “notoriously low quality” is silly.
It’s not silly, it’s plain to see for anyone that has tried to use it. But it is hilarious to see you try to deny it.
Do you think people just enjoy throwing away money to give themselves a worse experience?
Lol that’s not a false equivalency. You don’t get to just decide words mean things they don’t because it sounds nice in your head.
How is that false equivalency? Comparing fdroid to the play store is about as close as you can get.
Like I said, there is bad FOSS software, but that doesnt make it generally false. People pay for software that doesnt have a good free alternative, they pay for support, and often they will pay to use software that has good marketing because they are simply unaware of the alternatives.
I’m not saying all FOSS software is great, but lots of software does have great FOSS options, for example, Firefox, Blender, and Bevy. Obviously there are also examples of proprietary software without a great alternative, like Photoshop. I like FOSS, but I don’t avoid proprietary solutions that do a better job. Believe it or not, I still end up using mostly FOSS software.
You’re not backing your points up with any actual reasoning or examples while also being condescending about it.
I’m so sick of that person. All over the tech community with horrible and downright stupid takes. Just a while ago they were complaining about bloatware installed on android phones, but then fails to see your point about proprietary software also being useless or abandoned.
They’ll block you if you point that out and call it “harassment”.
How is that false equivalency? Comparing fdroid to the play store is about as close as you can get.
The false equivalency is not that the two aren’t comparable products, the false equivalency is that they have those problems at similar rates, because they don’t.
You’re not backing your points up with any actual reasoning or examples
My reasoning is experience. FOSS has this reputation among most people. Only people who are willfully ignorant can’t see it. I could give you examples all day but it’d just be cherry-picking and I’m sure you would remain unswayed. Feel free to ignore me, I’m just saying what it is.
I am genuinely curious why you think people pay money for worse software though…
I don’t avoid proprietary solutions that do a better job
That was my entire point. The person I was originally replying to seemed to suggest exactly that.
Right, because proprietary software is never abandoned. At least foss leaves you with the source code so you or other folk can carry on the torch in the original dev’s absence.
Donate when you can tho
And contribute if you can’t.
For non-programmers: Yes, reporting bugs, writing docs, and answering questions is contributing.
Edit: Fun story, the best contributor I ever had was someone who randomly reproduced reported bugs and filled in the details about how they did it.
own forever
Ownership implies control - being able to maintain/repair, modify or even resell.
To be in control of software you need access to it’s source code, and have the right to share changes with others.
“Ownership” can mean a lot of different things and the things you listed are most certainly not a requirement.
So what does “ownership” mean then for software?
“Ownership” can mean a lot of different things
You were arguing that having control over something (as in “being able to maintain/repair, modify or even resell” it) isn’t a requirement for the thing’s ownership?
Then what does “ownership” entail? Being allowed to use the thing but not modify or repair it? I’d argue that this isn’t what “ownership” means.
“Ownership” can mean a lot of different things
the things you listed are most certainly not a requirement.
Then what are? Why wouldn’t the ability to maintain/repair, modify or resell be requirements for ownership?
If “ownership” doesn’t have a unified meaning, then I can interpret “ownership” as the ability to maintain/repair, modify or resell the bought item.
Then what are?
“Ownership” can mean a lot of different things
Why wouldn’t the ability to maintain/repair, modify or resell be requirements for ownership?
Why would they be?
If “ownership” doesn’t have a unified meaning, then I can interpret “ownership” as the ability to maintain/repair, modify or resell the bought item.
You can “interpret” whatever meaning you want, that doesn’t make it accurate.
The IntelliJ products are not exactly “buy once” - if you want updated versions you need to keep paying periodically.
Not that I think that’s a bad thing necessarily - it doesn’t make sense to expect devs to continue working on something year after year when you’re not paying them for it.
if you want updated versions you need to keep paying periodically.
But you can continue using the older version, yes?
Sure, as long as it works. Software has a tendency to stop working on newer OS:es or become subject to security exploits though.
I’m happy to pay for software, but I want more than just permission, I want long term security that my investment in the tool will last.
If IntelliJ would open source their oldest versions, I would make my boss buy me a copy of the newest version every year.
That sounds good on paper, but the chances that someone else will pick up the ball if they abandon it, even if it’s open source, are very slim. If you care about keeping it alive then paying them is a more effective strategy than hoping for random volunteer work by internet strangers.
You, on the other hand, have good chances of being able to learn new tools. So I think the need for this security is exaggerated.
I’m a developer, so my chances are pretty good. But I take your point.
Even if I weren’t, there’s enough software options out there that I don’t have to pick between paying for proprietary software and living with abandonware.
So I think the need for this security is exaggerated.
Of course. I used proprietary software for a long time. Having things I relied on get abandoned got old, but it worked.
I just expect more from most of my software, now.
related: !sustainabletech@lemmy.sdf.org
oh is this the proper way to link to other lemmy stuff without sending them to the other servers domain? to add the “!” in front? I’ve seen a lot of links before, which bring you to the other site. but never the “!”
Yes, this is the way.
Thanks for sharing, I find it hard to discover new “lemmy spaces”??? On here
Sure.
You might want to subscribe to !newcommunities@lemmy.world, and browse here once in a while: https://lemmyverse.net/communities
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