Students have displayed mixed receptions to the new rule, with some welcoming it, agreeing with the government that phones can often become a distraction in class, while others believe the new measure displays a lack of trust in pupils. #EuropeNews
Are you a child/young teen with a completely different brain structure than a mature adult? Do you have already have the media literacy needed to navigate disinfo and toxic content online?
Kids really are a different species, but have predictable development. For every kid that’s responsible enough to have unrestricted device access there’s 50 more who just aren’t mature enough yet. There’s a limit to how much you can coach responsibility into them
Do you have already have the media literacy needed to navigate disinfo and toxic content online?
I think you get that by navigating disinfo and toxic content online, not by aging or going to school. Look at all the adults who believe everything they see online.
Personally I’m conflicted about using phones in class. Most kids shouldn’t. But there’s a rare type, kids like me. I was intelligent (for high school, anyway - I make no claims about being more intelligent than average as an adult lol), social and have ADHD. I went through the textbooks for the quarter in the first week and then it was either hill climb racing and temple run, or chatting to my classmates who needed to pay attention more than I did.
The problem is that at the moment the education ministries of EU member states can not regulate social media apps. We just had the identical discussion in Austria. They need to ban smartphone use in schools at the moment, because it’s the only legal route to get those teenagers away from social media during school hours.
but phone is not comparable to heroin. gaming or social media could be addicting. if sugar is addicting, do we ban shops? because shops sell sugary stuff (similar to phone providing the addictive thing)
If the school wants to teach responsible use, they can provide school-owned phones for use during coursework.
The problem is that if you have a class of 18 students and all of them are looking at their phones during a lecture or while doing practice problems, it is impossible to police behavior by differentiating who is taking notes and who is texting friends, or who is using a calculator app and who is using Wolfram Alpha. It’s much easier to just say “no phones” so the teacher can quickly identify who is taking notes (on paper) or using a calculator (that is a TI 83) versus the students trying to sneakily use their phone under their desk.
Restructuring the education system to not be a day care prison where chidren are desperate to do anything else would work better, but we don’t like it when the day care doesn’t keep our children locked up while we are at work.
No matter what structure they’ll focus on what engages them the most, which is pretty much always going to be the digital dopamine drip feed in their pocket.
Its not 2007 any more, we’ve had nearly 20 years to research this stuff and the results are pretty conclusive. Even a broken boomer is right twice a day 🤷
ah yes, why teach kids to use them responsibly when you can just ban them? that always works great
I feel like “using them responsibly” includes not using them in class
Are you a child/young teen with a completely different brain structure than a mature adult? Do you have already have the media literacy needed to navigate disinfo and toxic content online?
Kids really are a different species, but have predictable development. For every kid that’s responsible enough to have unrestricted device access there’s 50 more who just aren’t mature enough yet. There’s a limit to how much you can coach responsibility into them
FTFY.
I think you get that by navigating disinfo and toxic content online, not by aging or going to school. Look at all the adults who believe everything they see online.
Personally I’m conflicted about using phones in class. Most kids shouldn’t. But there’s a rare type, kids like me. I was intelligent (for high school, anyway - I make no claims about being more intelligent than average as an adult lol), social and have ADHD. I went through the textbooks for the quarter in the first week and then it was either hill climb racing and temple run, or chatting to my classmates who needed to pay attention more than I did.
Can you teach someone to use heroin responsibly? I get what you mean but these devices are addicting af and disrupt focus.
What a deceitful comparison. Like it or not no one is living without a smartphone these days. Heroin is entirely optional.
How you use the device is what matters. I use my smartphone to read books for example, and on YouTube I watch a lot of informative content.
What’s addictive is the pre-installed social media apps on our smartphones, that is what needs to be regulated.
Wow, you sound much smarter and seem to have so much more self control than all of those dumb people getting addicted to their phones.
The problem is that at the moment the education ministries of EU member states can not regulate social media apps. We just had the identical discussion in Austria. They need to ban smartphone use in schools at the moment, because it’s the only legal route to get those teenagers away from social media during school hours.
but phone is not comparable to heroin. gaming or social media could be addicting. if sugar is addicting, do we ban shops? because shops sell sugary stuff (similar to phone providing the addictive thing)
Because banning them works better.
If the school wants to teach responsible use, they can provide school-owned phones for use during coursework.
The problem is that if you have a class of 18 students and all of them are looking at their phones during a lecture or while doing practice problems, it is impossible to police behavior by differentiating who is taking notes and who is texting friends, or who is using a calculator app and who is using Wolfram Alpha. It’s much easier to just say “no phones” so the teacher can quickly identify who is taking notes (on paper) or using a calculator (that is a TI 83) versus the students trying to sneakily use their phone under their desk.
Restructuring the education system to not be a day care prison where chidren are desperate to do anything else would work better, but we don’t like it when the day care doesn’t keep our children locked up while we are at work.
No matter what structure they’ll focus on what engages them the most, which is pretty much always going to be the digital dopamine drip feed in their pocket.
Boomer logic
Its not 2007 any more, we’ve had nearly 20 years to research this stuff and the results are pretty conclusive. Even a broken boomer is right twice a day 🤷