• arrow74@lemm.eeEnglish
        312·
        2 months ago

        True, but 1,000 years ago it sucked a lot more. Now we have some advantages. Even access to the internet is a good quality of life improvement compared to 1025 CE.

        So maybe instead 1,000 years the inequality still exists, but technology has made things a little nice for the working class. It’s all about perspective.

        Or the climate crisis and subsequent environmental collapse lead to a Mad Max hellscape

        • LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafeEnglish
          92·
          2 months ago

          1,000 years ago it sucked a lot more

          1000 years ago we didn’t have a surveillance state, climate collapse, tiktok, 4chan, drone strikes, school shootings, car accidents, car dependent infrastructure, pollution smog, microplastics, fox news, subscription services, hiring AI, police robots, the gig economy, leafblowers, overdraft fees, airbnb, overseas concentration camps, white phosphorous, fracking…

          • Zetta@mander.xyz
            121·
            2 months ago

            Yeah, there’s a lot of bad, but he’s right. On average, the vast majority of humanity is significantly better off than we were a thousand years ago.

            • LeninsOvaries@lemmy.cafeEnglish
              35·
              2 months ago

              Africa is struggling to recover from colonisation. The middle east is a warzone. The Americas and Australia are being occupied by invaders. Europe is in financial crisis. I don’t really know about east Asia. Even Antarctica is melting. Capitalism is worse for the worker than feudalism.

              • Zetta@mander.xyz
                81·
                2 months ago

                You don’t seem to understand the fact that the vast majority of humanity is still better off than we were a 1000 years ago even with the current bad.

                • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
                  33·
                  2 months ago

                  China, India, The Americas, Australia, many parts of Africa? Life was good there.

                  Even Europe was not that bad. If you had many more free days, work that was meaningful and unprocessed food, how bad would it be to die earlier? In total, they still had more days of life for themselves.

              • ThunderclapSasquatch@startrek.website
                11·
                1 month ago

                Oh come on, only America and Australia are occupied? Where did your ancestors evolve? Who did your ancestors take their land from because they took it from someone

                Edit: for the record I’m indigenous but your argument is flawed and narrowsighted

    • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.eeEnglish
      13·
      2 months ago

      Reminds me of the pilot episode. When Fry wakes up in 3000 and says ‘everyone I know is dead… YES!!!’

    • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
      3·
      2 months ago

      What if it’s full medieval and the king just ordered an expedition to the great library to bring back electricity?

      Good news is, you’ll have memes back if you skip some years.

    • Huschke@lemmy.world
      3·
      2 months ago

      Well, the 2020s so far seem to resemble the 1930s surprisingly closely. So if we haven’t destroy us by then, chances are things won’t be that different.

      • Korhaka@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        6·
        2 months ago

        Don’t have to get permission to live, fishing regulations no longer apply so it shouldn’t be too hard getting food. Also the sea and rivers won’t be polluted like they are now.

  • plyth@feddit.orgEnglish
    413·
    2 months ago

    How do you recognize a slave? There is no need for chains to make people work against their will.

    Whoever dreads monday morning doesn’t have to be worried about slavery anymore.

  • JulieLemming@lemm.eeEnglish
    81·
    2 months ago

    You only enslave yourself by learning to do absolutely nothing against what you see as oppressive.

    • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
      31·
      2 months ago

      You enslave others by consuming most common products on the shelves. Modern slavery (and child slavery) is more expansive than most know and third-world exploitation is rampant - western supply chains are not immune.

      While you support the enslavement of others with your consumption, corporations continue to become more and more powerful.

      • JulieLemming@lemm.eeEnglish
        32·
        2 months ago

        You speak so right, that’s why I only buy Apple. I prefer to buy the slaves and free them with my money instead of cheaping on it and forcing the heavy hand of corporate whip.

        We have to be responsible.

        • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
          3·
          2 months ago

          Your trolling aside, we all share a personal responsibility to not buy from companies that e.g. utilize cobalt/lithium in their products - slavery/child labor is rampant in those supply chains and Apple et. al are responsible for supporting it.

          If there was no demand, these children wouldn’t be forced to work in mines - it’s that simple.

          • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            2·
            1 month ago

            If there was no demand, these children wouldn’t be forced to work in mines - it’s that simple.

            setting aside the difficulty of quantifying demand, this is still an unprovable statement. you can’t prove a counterfactual.

            • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
              2·
              1 month ago

              If these countries were given the ingredients to be able to develop and there was no outside demand for mined materials, these children wouldn’t be in the mines.

              Big if, but less of an “if” if more people are made aware. It’s absolutely sickening how much we rely on lithium considering how it is sourced.

              We are collectively enabling modern slavery and child slavery. These corporations prefer to act innocent because they aren’t sending the children themselves into the mines, but they buy the materials they mine regardless (and there’s no way that they don’t know the reality). Many corporations profit off the back of these people and children and they should be required to pay significant reparations.

              What is in our power to stop this? We can spread the awareness of our exploitation of third-world countries - including their children, we can develop technologies that don’t rely on rare materials or difficult to mine materials, we can employ automation to mine what we do need in first-world countries, and we can hold the corporations that profit from these supply chains accountable.

              There are battery technologies (e.g. sodium-ion) that we could grasp and avoid mining altogether for energy storage. China is proving that sodium-ion batteries are a very promising technology, even in cars, and the sodium can be sourced from seawater or from the byproducts of desalination (the latter which likely needs to be very quickly scaled considering the fresh water crisis).

          • JulieLemming@lemm.eeEnglish
            11·
            2 months ago

            Well if we don’t buy it they lose their jobs and means to sustain themselves in that deserted hellhole. These companies are sometimes providing the only work they can do and stay employed. Once they move out it’s over for them

            • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
              2·
              2 months ago

              If you’re worried about these children losing their wonderful life in the mines, feel free to support them through other means.

              Make it your life’s work to spread awareness, bring aid to the affected countries, and support their development - you only enslave yourself by learning to do absolutely nothing against what you see as oppressive.

              And getting companies that profit off of these children to support them would likely be fair. Apple, Google, and many others can handle the hit.

              • JulieLemming@lemm.eeEnglish
                11·
                2 months ago

                Let’s not buy their products and see the 3rd world underpaid workforce get fired and die out of hunger. That will solve all the world problems

                That was your solution. Exceedingly bright in a true internet way

                • Michael@slrpnk.netEnglish
                  1·
                  2 months ago

                  When you put it that way, I guess we better hand over thousands every year to Apple for the new iPhone. Wouldn’t want a child slave to be unemployed.

                  Buy 10,000 disposable vapes every year while you’re at it (if you really care). Maybe a couple cents will trickle down to the children you claim to care about.

    • Noodle07@lemmy.world
      721·
      2 months ago

      See you’re not supposed to wait for the chains to be around your ankles to start worrying about that. And the chains are currently around some people’s, it’s coming

    • voracitude@lemmy.world
      374·
      2 months ago

      You really don’t see what’s happening around you?

      Let me just make sure we’re on the same page with a little maths problem: you have nine people and a Nazi eating dinner at the table together. How many Nazis are at the table?

      • areyouevenreal@lemm.ee
        313·
        2 months ago

        Not everyone who believes in capitalism is a nazi. You aren’t helping your cause by acting like this. Nobody should have to tell you this.

        • voracitude@lemmy.world
          61·
          2 months ago

          Capitalism has nothing to do with Nazism. If you find a capitalist throwing a sieg heil, they’re a Nazi. If you find a Buddhist or a Marxist or a Christian or literally anyone working with people who throw sieg heils, they’re a Nazi. If you (the general you, not you specifically) find yourself continuing to voice support for a president who didn’t immediately get rid of Musk after he sieg heil’d on TV TWICE, you’re a fuckin Nazi.

          Nobody should have to tell you this.

          • Throwaway131447@lemmynsfw.com
            32·
            2 months ago

            Brother capitalism has a lot to do with Nazism. They’re intrinsically linked. Capitalism always devolves into fascism. It’s the end result.

            • voracitude@lemmy.world
              11·
              2 months ago

              Fascism is not Nazism, but Nazism is a flavour of fascism.

              I do understand what you mean and historically you’re absolutely right, it has always devolved into fascism. I don’t think you can name a system of government that hasn’t either started there or ended up there. But that was a process, capitalism isn’t written that way on paper at all. The tenets don’t line up. Like how communism in practice has very little to do with fascism (the managed economy bits often look similar on paper, though).

          • areyouevenreal@lemm.ee
            13·
            2 months ago

            Am I missing something here? Where did anyone express support for Trump? This is the first I have heard about him in this thread - unless I have missed something obvious here this topic along with Nazism has come out of nowhere. I thought this meme was about capitalist exploitation or something. When did US politics get involved?

    • neons@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      10·
      2 months ago

      This is how I, as a European, feel.

      But I am certain that it must feel very different if you life in Afrika, China, one of the Koreas or, since recently, the US.