Pressure grows on Apple to open up iMessage::Samsung has joined Google’s campaign to force Apple to make iMessage RCS-compatible—but European regulators are more likely to get that job done.

  • danielfgom@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    78
    arrow-down
    6
    ·
    9 months ago

    Unless the EU makes them use RCS they never will. In the US iMessage is literally THE REASON people buy the iPhone. It’s their main selling point. They don’t care how much pressure you place on them, they aren’t going to lose those sales willingly.

    • SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      46
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      I have seen people literally say they like that iMessage is exclusive, and they like to keep Android users away/separate

      It was reeking of classism in addition to being generally a terrible thing to read

      • rar@discuss.online
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        That’s just sad. Not even sports teams or musicians, but over a walled-gardened messaging app?

      • I'm back on my BS 🤪@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        9 months ago

        I knew a 29 y/o woman that switched to iPhone so that others with iPhones would see her text messages bubble as blue instead of green. Imagine blowing over a thousand dollars so that someone else sees blue rather than green in text messages. Meanwhile, I can make the bubble colors whatever color I want on my Android.

        • SnipingNinja@slrpnk.net
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          I honestly blame Apple for abusing the societal penchant for forming tribes around random things.

      • NuPNuA@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        Top whack android phones aret really cheaper than iPhones these days so it’s not classism as such. Yanks just seem to love to tribalise everything, see masks during Covid as another example. I think it’s a result of having a two party political system.

      • realharo@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        10
        ·
        9 months ago

        The fact that other people they know also use it.

        The app itself is pretty much the same as any other modern messaging app, but network effects are everything when it comes to messaging services.

        This is why you see entire countries where everyone has WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger or Telegram, depending on what other people in the country are using.

      • angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        9
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        9 months ago

        Encryption, photos are higher quality through it (this is where “Android cameras are bad” came from,) typing indicators, sending messages over Wi-Fi, iMessage games, and message effects.

        • bouldering_barista@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          13
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          Some of that isn’t i-message specific though, right? I have a Pixel and it has high quality pictures, typing indicators, reads receipts, sends over wifi… the other stuff I don’t think Android has but that’s a bit gimicky anyway. Not trying to be an android fan girl but I really don’t understand what makes i-message better.

          • angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            edit-2
            9 months ago

            I agree that all the stuff iMessage has that RCS doesn’t is gimmicky, I’m, an Android user myself…but if you have an Android and someone you want to text has an iPhone, you’re both using SMS.

          • insomniac@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            5
            ·
            9 months ago

            The problem is the walled garden, both ecosystems have those features but they don’t work together. If all your friends have iPhones, there’s a lot of pressure to also have an iPhone. And once you’re in, you’re not likely getting out unless all your social circle does at once. That kind of lock in is extremely valuable.

          • NuPNuA@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            6
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            It isn’t better, but it’s an extreme example of Americas corporate fanaticism, everywhere else people say “well if Apple and Google don’t play nice together, we’ll use a third party app and skip it all”. In the US they say, “if you don’t have an iPhone that makes you worse than me somehow so this allows me to lord it over you”.

        • Takumidesh@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          9 months ago

          All of this is available on just about every messaging service, so the real answer is tribalism and lack of consumer education.

          • angstylittlecatboy@reddthat.com
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            arrow-down
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            But still, if you have an Android and someone you want to text has an iPhone, you’re using SMS, not RCS.

            I do believe RCS-compatibility for iMessage would make take a chunk out of iPhone sales honestly.

            • NuPNuA@lemm.ee
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              9 months ago

              I message people on iOS from my android all the time, we use WhatsApp and the problem is solved.

        • jmankman@lemmy.myserv.one
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          9 months ago

          My understanding of “Android cameras bad” came from snapchat on Android literally taking shittier pictures and videos for some reason.

          • pirat@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            It took a screenshot of the viewfinder instead of an actual shot with shutter settings etc.

    • pastabatman@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      6
      ·
      9 months ago

      True. So true in fact that I’d be willing to bet that even if the EU made them implement RCS they still wouldn’t do it in the US. USB-C only worked because it’s a hardware change and maintaining separate lightning and USB-C models and accessory ecosystems doesn’t make sense. RCS is a software change that costs them nothing to NOT use in the only market where it would hurt them.

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      9 months ago

      In most of Europe, nobody uses an apple phone, so the pressure to get them to use a different protocol is fairly low.

      • cryostars@lemmyf.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        9 months ago

        Yeah this thread is wild… like no imessage isn’t literally the reason people buy iPhones. And iMessage doesn’t have “higher quality photos.”

        • SpookySnek@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          edit-2
          9 months ago

          Everytime I discuss apple vs android with colleagues, it always boils down to “but come one, you can’t take someone with green bubbles seriously”. And we all work as developers for god’s sake. iPhone users are more shallow than you think.

          And yes iMessage has way higher image quality than sms, just like RCS has

          • TAG@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            9 months ago

            And yes iMessage has way higher image quality than sms, just like RCS has

            MMS resolution seems fine for me and on Android, if I try to send a photo via SMS, my phone will alert me and suggest that I send that particular text (with a photo attachment) via MMS.

    • olympicyes@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      arrow-down
      14
      ·
      9 months ago

      Group chats in RCS weren’t even end-to-end encrypted on Android until August of this year. Green texts are a security risk.

      • ManOMorphos@lemmy.world
        cake
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        arrow-down
        1
        ·
        9 months ago

        If you’re that concerned with security, shouldn’t you be using Signal and try to convince others to do so? iMessage is E2E encrypted but Signal is platform-agnostic and has better security/privacy.

        • olympicyes@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          2
          ·
          9 months ago

          I don’t care but you have to convince Apple. People really pile on for the most trivial of comments.

          • ManOMorphos@lemmy.world
            cake
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            ·
            edit-2
            9 months ago

            I can’t speak for the others, but I’m just curious as to why iMessage’s quirks are heavily put up with. With the options of messaging apps nowadays, the “green bubble” stuff seems like an arbitrary problem.

            Sure, it’s stock software, but plenty are willing to switch off Edge/Safari for Chromium browsers. I understand that there’s strong social pressure to conform to using the same messaging service. I think it’s something that can be worked around with any proficiency with tech, along with a good argument to the social circle. I managed to get off Messenger this way and it worked great.

            Personally I’d rather find the best message service than use what everyone else uses, but that’s just me. It’s not a big problem at the end of the day, really. People value different things with their tech, and that’s fine.

            • olympicyes@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              ·
              9 months ago

              Network effect. It’s easier to convince the one green text to switch than to convince everyone to switch to an alternative. Even in my one immediate family we only have one Android. As a result we have two group threads, one of which excludes that number so images and videos will go through at full quality. Message is the default so people use it. I’m aware that’s not the case in other countries.