U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres arrived at the BRICS summit in the Russian city of Kazan on Oct. 22, despite criticism from Ukraine, Voice of America reported.

The BRICS group, a bloc of countries that includes Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa, Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia, and the United Arab Emirates, is convening in Kazan for a three-day summit from Oct. 22-24. According to Moscow, 36 world leaders are participating in the conference.

Guterres is expected to meet Russian President Vladimir Putin on the sidelines of the event on Oct. 24, according to Russian presidential aide Yuri Ushakov.

Ukraine’s Foreign Ministry criticized the U.N. secretary general’s visit.

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    Saying there is two warring sides and its not as clear cut is kind of ignoring the whole “illegal occupation, annexation and ethnic cleansing.”

    Imagine Russia hadnt invaded again after annexing Crimea and in 2030 Ukraine started to fight to get it back. Would that make it “not cut and dry” because the rest of the world ignored and normalized around the annexation? Ukraine has a right to kick out Russian occupation from every last squaremeter of occupied territory… Palestinians have a right to kick out Israeli occupation from every last squaremeter of occupied territory.

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      Yeah, we disagree on the whole illegal occupation part when it comes to Israel proper. And this in turn leads to disagreement about a lot of the other aspects.

      Everything in life has to do with priorities and where you put them and when it comes to the founding of Israel we disagree.

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        Gaza is illegaly occupied. The Westbank is illegally occupied and partly annexed. East Jerusalem is illegally occupied and partly annexed. This is not by my opinion, but by the ICJ

        The people have a right to resist against that. And if the source of the occupation is in “Israel proper” (i presume 1967 borders) then it is legitimate to attack military targets there too. For instance it is impossible to remove the occupation of Gaza through the total border control on the side of Israel without attacking on soil of 1967 Israel.

        Or would you say that Ukraine fighting in Kurst Oblast is to be condenmmed too?

        There is many similarities between Ukraine and Palestine, except in the way Western leaders and Media talk about it and which side they support.

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          Hezbollah is in Lebanon. Why do they have the right to keep rocket shelling Israël?

          Gaza occupation had ended, settlers where removed, Israel closed it off as gazans have no right to enter Israël, if Israël don’t want them too. Egypt had the border closed too, I guess the people in Gaza are not ones you let into your country.

          West bank I have nothing to add, the whole settler stuff is criminal and Israel needs to do to the Jewish settlers there what they did with Gaza settlers, convoy them out back into Israël proper and wall of the border.

          The issue is landlocked countries need to play nice with their neighbors and Palestinians have no friends on their borders. Neither Jordan not Syria want open borders with them, cause of the whole attempted coup by the PLO, sectarian “differences” and terrorism.

          The fact that terrorist organisations like Hezbollah, Hamas and the PLO are so intertwined with civilian life in the Palestinian territory is an issue… for the Palestinians as it makes everyone in the organisation a valid target.

          Edit: Jerusalem should be split off and given a status similar to the Vatican and governed by representatives from both sides imo.

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            Hezbollah is in Lebanon. Why do they have the right to keep rocket shelling Israël?

            Because Israel attacked them and has repeatedly escalated the conflict over the past 12 months.

            Gaza occupation had ended, settlers where removed, Israel closed it off as gazans have no right to enter Israël, if Israël don’t want them too.

            Gaza was described as the largest open air prison by experts around the world.

            Egypt had the border closed too, I guess the people in Gaza are not ones you let into your country.

            That’s an incredibly disgusting generalization to say regarding an oppressed population. These people are being isolated and oppressedfrom the world due to their much more powerful and well-funded neighbors and you’re just sitting there saying “Yeah they’re not the kind of people I would want to let in”.

            The fact that terrorist organisations like Hezbollah, Hamas and the PLO are so intertwined with civilian life in the Palestinian territory is an issue

            Hamas was funded and propped up thanks in large part to Israel.

            Hezbollah started as a direct result of Israeli aggression in the 80s and 90s. Israel occupied the south of Lebanon throughout the 90s and Hezbollah harassed them so much they were forced to leave. This conflict is Israel’s second chance on this whole settlement project.

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              So why don’t Jordan and Egypt have open borders with Gaza and the west bank then? What’s the deal there? Why have the Palestinians never been a sorbed I to the populations of the other regions countries, like the Jews kicked out of these countries where in Israël?

              And about not letting Palestinians in… this is not me saying it, it’s what the other Arab countries are actively doing… while saying they care for the faith of their brethren.

              And yeah, Hezbollah and Israel have been shooting at each other for decades. Fascist state government vs antisemitic terrorist organisations.

              Israël is filled with people that left where they lived be cause of either anti semitism or the pull to the settler colonial project. An easy solution there is not.

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                Why do Palestinians have to leave for Jordan and Egypt and why are Jordan ang Egypt expected to take them? Israel could just let them live in their homes like any decent person would expect.

                Israël is filled with people that left where they lived be cause of either anti semitism or the pull to the settler colonial project.

                Anti-Semitism because of Israel’s actions. If you’re a state known for killing and displacing Arabs, you don’t expect Arab’s to be nice to you. Israel has dragged Jewish reputation through the mud through their actions.

                An easy solution there is not.

                There literally is. Stop killing and displacing Arabs. It’s not that hard.

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                  They don’t have to leave perse… but they could use these borders to trade and travel… but these borders are also shut… for the good of the Palestinians or something…

                  And yeah, leave them in the west bank and Gaza.

                  Antisemitism because of Israel… some yeah, most “just because”… Bit silly to ascribe it all to that.

                  And hating Jews because the israeli government you associate them with, is doing wrong shit, leads to more violence…maybe even Jews that take their stuff and move to Israel. These will not be the most open minded well adjusted people.

                  And yes they should stop killing people. But how do we make the peace structural and not just a reprieve until the next flare up.

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                    Their entire system of government is only allowed at the discretion of Israel, and we all know how Israel treats them. So they can’t leave, they can’t self govern, they can’t extract the resources of their own land. What on earth do you expect them to do?

                    I never said the hatred was justified. But if Israel didn’t do what it has been doing for the past 70+ years then the Jewish reputation wouldn’t be as dogshit as it is now.

                    How do you make peace? Stop killing people would be a good start don’t you think?