Doesn’t change the fact, that Hungary or at least the politicians have to actually disprove the suggestions, Orban wants a dictatorship - because pretty much all he talks about is exactly that in one form or the other.

Summoning the Ambassador and calling the accusations “lies” doesn’t do shit in terms of disproving it.

Google is just the complete opposite and empowers global surveillance.

I disagree with that. Yes, they enable it, but you can turn (nearly) everything off in the settings and with a few ground rules things are quite good.

Take TikTok, Meta or something like that…you can’t turn off most of the data harvesting and profiling.

It is. And I personally commend Google for this - they are pretty much the last manufacturer to truly give your the freedom, without crippling the device to hell and back. Sony and Samsung cripple the cameras when you unlock the boot loader, nearly all Chinese manufacturers don’t even give you the choice, Xiaomi has a “wait list”.

Say what you want about Google - they still aren’t as terrible as others.

for example production of base chemicals that are used in various other follow up products, lot’s of efficiency due to special membranes and so on.

Smaller corporations have it easier, IF they took IT Security serious. For the simple fact, that there are just a lot less entry points and way less whack amole playing.

And Microsoft never took security as serious as they should have.

Edith: And I highly doubt, we’ll see a substantial change on Microsoft’s side. 1.: There’s less Money to be made. 2.: In some ways, their hands are tied because of the still ongoing Patriot Act/USA Freedom Act (which is a bullshit name) or rather the safe harbor stuff.

Well, since working in the industry, i can say with a very high confidence: There will be substitutes, but not for everything - at least at this point in time. There may soon very well be a breakthrough in material science, but at this point there is no alternative in some use cases (like gaskets, that have to sustain extreme temperatures and pressures…).

But i absolutely do agree with you.

I’ve been wondering for quite some time why everything is going to shit. Now I think I get the picture. Thanks for the enlightenment.

And yes, I fucking expect people to think about their decisions and take responsibility serious - even if they don’t have the means to get caviar or Champagne all the time. But hey, I’ll probably be labeled as boomer in the next few years, so whatever floats your boat!

Judging by all these downvotes, I guess that ship has sailed a long time and maybe I shouldn’t care so much 🤔

Oh i absolutely agree with you. Especially in cosmetics and other “day to day” products that are disposable.

But that’s also exactly the argument - make companies and customers dispose of these products correctly, because banning PFAS outright will have devastating consequences. (Like 3M just shifting production to China from Europe. Europe had the highest safety and production standards for PTFE - now they are going to be produced in china with absolutely no standards )

And if there is a proper way to recycle those PFAS, there is no need to shift production to places where there are no standards so you can get a porper goretex jacket (for example), because phasing out PTFE for something other that’s substitutable now has an incentive.

Maybe in the U.S., but not in Europe. We got the Nutri-Score, we got the animal wellfare labeling and we have open source databanks where you scan the barcode and get all the information about a product so you can actually make a decision.

And you are arguing that customers become mindless drones that don’t need to think about any consequences when they consume. Which is exactly why we have fucked up the climate.

Coming back to the purification plant, that’s the same thing if everyone would go shit in the Neighbors garden and flushing down anything down the toilet. We don’t do that, because we know it would fuck up the purification plant, clogg the toilet and turn the garden in to a literal dump.

Choosing what you buy is also the same thing as choosing what to eat. Sure, if you don’t know any better you may just eat junk food all day long. But the consequences are going to haunt you very much.

Is there really no alternative in shampoo & disposable coffee cups?

There is - but i personally think it’s up to customers to not just grab what’s on the shelf and do at least some basic research, because PFAS generally have to be marked on the bottle. Disposable coffee cups are just stupid all together.

This could have been done years ago but if industry can’t self regulate then bans it is.

I get the sentiment, but why not regulate stuff, before just banning it? And while we’re at it, how about educating the customer?

You do realize, many of those “forever chemicals” have no alternative? PFOA for example is essential for modern production, because there is no other material known to withstand the temperatures and pressures needed in the production processes? So the alternative is either not to use them at all, with ALL the consequences - or we have use a proper way to dispose them.

Purification Plants are the same argument analogy.

Oh god, this post will hunt me down via nightmares …

maybe we all are? 😵

And they generally get subsidized…

I’m starting to believe it is. There were so many spicy topics in that whole thing, the more I read, the more it feels very intentional…

WebEx has an on premise version the Bundeswehr uses. However, they already use element.

However - there are some people claiming it was an intentional leak. And with all the “interesting” details coming to light, I’m starting to believe it.

That is incorrect, because salt water electrolysis is a thing - actually so much more efficient even, that they salt fresh water because it takes less energy. Not only that - the plant which I indirectly work for uses grey water. You know, that stuff that you flush down the drain?

That’s a pretty daft conclusion, because JCB has been making Hydrogen machinery for quite some time now and power made for all the equipment on site can also easily be made with hydrogen.

I’m not entirely sure on that, because whatever intel he’s getting fed on there war, has to be the best horseshit ever. I don’t think that even Putin can ignore ~15.000 lost vehicles.

Meaning, he could very well believe he’d win.