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  • That is just one of the reasons the ICC, the organization literally with the legal authority to determine of some thing is genocide or not determined that Israel is plausibly committing genocide.

    That is a misrepresentation of what the ICJ ruled. You can’t even tell apart the ICJ and the ICC, it seems. You can’t even get the organization right.

    Here you can hear the President of the ICJ explain what is meant by plausible.

    “At this stage of the proceedings, the Court is not called upon to determine definitively whether the rights which South Africa wishes to see protected exist,” said the ICJ. “It need only decide whether the rights claimed by South Africa, and for which it is seeking protection, are plausible. “In the Court’s view, the facts and circumstances… are sufficient to conclude that at least some of the rights claimed by South Africa and for which it is seeking protection are plausible.”

    Plausible only refers to the right of South Africa to bring this case to the ICJ.

    the ICJ had only ruled that Gaza Palestinians had a plausible right to be protected from genocide - in other words, that it had been dealing with a complex and somewhat abstract legal argument.

    A day later, Joan Donoghue - now retired from the ICJ - appeared on the BBC’s HARDtalk programme and explicitly tried to end the debate by setting out what the court had done. “It did not decide - and this is something where I’m correcting what’s often said in the media… that the claim of genocide was plausible,” said the judge. “It did emphasise in the order that there was a risk of irreparable harm to the Palestinian right to be protected from genocide. But the shorthand that often appears, which is that there’s a plausible case of genocide, isn’t what the court decided.”







  • Yes, the Oslo accords also had resistance in Israel. However Israel still made a peace offer and Arafat refused and launched the second intifada. Look up Intrafada to see political murders among Palestinians of the time.

    Sure settlers suck and need to be stopped.

    The number of dead is asymmetric because Palestinians send their children to attack, including as suicide bombers. Israel is vastly superior in equipment, training, and organization. Of course less Israelis are killed. This tells you nothing about morality, only which side is stronger. Would you be happier if the numbers were equal?

    And about Nakba, I really wonder if tomorrow Russia expels 700K Ukrainians, and tell them that they cannot return to their homes you will again shrug it off and say that it is war and that’s what happens in war.

    Do you think the great-grandchildren of Ukrainians who fled to Poland today will massacre Russians at a festival in 70 years?

    German terrorists don’t shoot unguided rockets at Danzig. Polish terrorists don’t blow up buses in Lviv.

    Yes, the human rights situation for Palestinians is bad. It’s especially bad under the Islamist dictatorship of Hamas and the police state of Abu Mazen.



  • Sure the settlers violence has to be stopped. Israel used to be much better at this. The voluntary disengagement from Gaza demonstrated that it’s able to do it. They dragged settlers from their houses. The current extremists in government Smotrich and Gvir are the problem. They will be out next election.

    Yes, during the Nakba around 700,000 Palestinians fled. It was a war and people flee during wars from fighting and danger. If you compare this to other wars from that era it was minor. Have you ever considered what would have happened to the Jews if the Arabs had won Israel’s war of independence? It certainly would have been worse than moving 50 km inside the same country. Did the Zionists seize the opportunity to change the demographics in their favor? Yes.

    Irgun and Lehi were always a tiny minority of the Jewish militias. The Haganah always stressed defensive operations before the war started. If you want to go back to the Mandatory days, please also mention the Hebron massacre and Arab revolt among others. Hamas has been the major political party among Palestinians since Fatah became more moderate. The approval ratings for Hamas are very high as you can see on PCPSR polls. Irgun/Lehi we’re fringe like PIJ maybe.

    A huge part of the land assigned to Israel in the UN partition plan was the Negev desert. So yes, the Jews got more land, but also the worse land: mosquito plagued swamps and empty desert.

    Instead of accepting a Jewish state as a neighbor, the Arabs chose war, which they then lost. The 1949 armistice line (green line, aka 1967 borders) was explicitly not a recognized border because the Arabs didn’t want to accept Israel’s existence. This pattern of not being able to compromise or even negotiate and wage war then repeated over and over. As a reference see the three Noes from Khartoum: no peace, no recognition, no negotiation.

    Palestinian political leadership has been terrible since the grand mufti Al-Husseini, who was Hitler’s buddy. His legacy of antisemitism can still be seen in Abu Mazen, who wrote his thesis on holocaust denial. Palestinians are now at 100 years of bad political decisions and are still on a trajectory to make it worse. Their cause might be just, but they suck at execution. Every chance at peace is discarded because of unrealistic goals and inability to let the past go.