A new study suggests that the Atlantic overturning circulation AMOC “is on tipping course”
“It’s observational data from the South Atlantic which suggest the AMOC is on tipping course. Not the model simulation, which is just there to get a better understanding of which early warning signals work, and why.”
Stefan Rahmstorf: https://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2024/02/new-study-suggests-the-atlantic-overturning-circulation-amoc-is-on-tipping-course/ @climate
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Tipping point of the AMOC: 2025 to 2095 with 95% confidence levels.
Well that’s not ideal…
No, it’s not. That means those who are born after 2050 are guaranteed to witness a catastrophic climatic event in their lifetime… Those could well be my grandchildren (if they’re ever born). I’m already suggesting my son not to have kids in the future, if things don’t radically change.
As conservatives cheer.
… who get tacit approval from liberal democrats. Both parties are bought and paid for by special interests: namely oil. Biden has drilled more than Trump.
Agreed. Neo-liberals are conservatives. The Democrat party is run by neo-liberals, not progressives. We do not have a progressive party in the U.S., unfortunately. Our choices are conservative or more conservative.
So honest question: why do you find it more accurate to refer to these people as conservatives instead of the ruling class in your original comment?
Because in the U.S., conservative voters are who protects the ruling class. Conservatism is the front line in any war against the ruling class. If the public were primarily progressive minded, this ruling class would cease to exist (at least in its current form). This is why controlling the media is so extremely important to the ruling class.
Conservatism makes this ruling class possible. To make progress against a ruling class (or against climate change or against genocide), we must first defeat conservatism.
Can you show me a single time in history when a ruling class simply “ceased to exist” due to a “primarily progressive” populace?
Ruling classes: classes with power, money, capital, do not simply cease to exist. Their power isn’t given up so easily.
Your original premise that only conservative voters protect the ruling class is so demonstrably wrong. Look at at the entirety of the social democratic Europe: who have attained riches from the global south. Look back to FDR voters who cheered internment camps. Look at modern Biden voters who tacitly approve genocide in Gaza. Look to the social democrats who betrayed leftists in Germany. Make no mistake: democrats preserve capitalism.
You have a warped view of our issues as left vs right when they’re actually up vs down: which plays into the hands of big interests like big oil. And the result is that you are pacifying people who would otherwise be doing actual class analysis and have some ounce of revolutionary fervor. Instead, you’re perpetuating the myth that all the evil we experience in our politics is due to baddies on the right who are proud Republicans.
I suspect that as time goes on, while the US and world continue to backside into genocidal fascism, you’ll find yourself confused and aimless, wondering why every tool at your disposal (electoralism, kissing the feet of democrats) isn’t helping to stop Nazis.
You have to read some Marx and understand these are class-based issues as opposed to left v right.
You gave no example of progressives. Your examples were all examples of neoliberals or moderates whose parties happened to include some progressives. A progressive person does not laugh at an internment camp, ffs. Biden is not a progressive. And social democrats who betrayed progressives are not progressive.
Your notion that a ruling party cannot be removed from their ruling status by progressives because you are unable to find an historic example of such a change is flawed on its face.
Conservatism is a plague of deception, bad faith arguments and manipulation. Your comment is riddled with all three.
@maugendre
Also worth pointing out from the blog:> Given the impacts, the risk of an AMOC collapse is something to be avoided at all cost. As I’ve said before: the issue is not whether we’re sure this is going to happen. The issue is that we need to rule this out at 99.9 % probability. Once we have a definite warning signal it will be too late to do anything about it, given the inertia in the system.
I mean, it’s already slowed by a third, hasn’t it? I know that it’s actual effects don’t scale won’t that, but I thought that we had already accepted that it would fall below the minimum threshold it can operate at sometime between 2030 amd 2045 ish unless we start doing a lot more from the pile of things we could be doing to lower carbon emissions but arn’t.
