• unphazed@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Do I see a little moustache growing on Benny’s lip? Total Victory kinda sounds similar to “Final Solution”

  • ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    9 months ago

    Do you want the total war?

    Do you want it, if necessary, more total and radical than anything that we can yet today even conceive?

    -Bibi Goebels, basically

  • werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    I was against this from the beginning after the first day of asswopping. That’s when the aggression should have stopped. Now I’m growing totally against this shit. I mean the civilians who have not much input are literally dying from hunger. What else do the Israeli government want? Can they do that without spending more American resources? I don’t want to end up having to watch NOVA 20 years from now explaining how the US became involved in the yet another worse human castretosfe of the century. I’ll be older and would probably fall asleep.

    Maybe we just stop helping the Israeli government now?

  • meep_launcher@lemm.ee
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    9 months ago

    Am I the only one who has been hearing the frustrations coming from democrats and Biden about Netanyahu? Reading these comments you’d think Biden has been best buddy’s with Netanyahu and all is squeaky clean in their relationship, which is very, VERY much not the case. You’d also think that democratic leadership didn’t just call out Netanyahu and suggest Israeli’s vote him out over Gaza.

    It’s so weird that Biden is simultaneously Genocide Joe and Pro Hamas Biden.

    I know talk is cheap and we are still sending military aid to Israel, but it all comes down to Biden facing daily trolley problems and balancing keeping friendly relationships with our one (nuclear capable) middle eastern country, taking the US seriously as a country that can stop a genocide by saying no to this (nuclear capable) middle eastern country, a reelection, and sending a message to the United States allies and adversaries of if we will or will not support who we say we will support.

    The answer to stop sending arms to Israel is clear to us, but let’s not pretend it’s that easy. The rules for rulers are not that straightforward.

  • Dr. Dabbles@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Great, then we should stop funding their government and military spending. If they won’t stop, we can. Of course we won’t, but we could and should.

    • Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      I cannot find a single person on earth that can give a valid reason for sending them any money or armament whatsoever. We gain absolutely nothing from supporting them. Nothing at all.

      Conservatives cry crocodile tears about “wasting money”. Every penny ever sent to Israel has been wasted. It’s not an investment. There is no return. There is no political or financial gain of any kind for us.

    • Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee
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      9 months ago

      The needs of Israel outweigh the Netanyahu.

      Him trying to doggedly ‘crush’ Hamas (an impossible goal politically) whilst refusing to see the larger picture is an outstanding dereliction of duty to the country as a whole

      The northern border is increasingly heating up with Hezbollah targeting IDF bases directly and with larger ordnance - in a few months it has progressed from lowly ATGMs and 80s tech, to Grad and Burkan rocket artillery. There’s now more frequent attacks on northern towns and settlements because of their increasing firepower brought in

      International condemnation is widespread, your neighbors to the east and south are publicly taking about ‘changes in security treaties’ with Israel and threatening unilateral action, an ICJ judgment that is sustained into war crimes investigations, and top US official and leaders are talking about ‘red lines’ and implicitly threatening continuing US military aid - that’s a big problem.

      Even if you accept the ‘4D chess’ angle that Bibi is dealing with Iran Hamas completely to remove that threat before taking care of Iran Hezbollah, that ignores the global reality that the world, not just the Arab/Islamic world, isn’t going to sit by and let you ignore ~2 million Palestinians, today or tomorrow.

      Israel is totally capable of winning the battle against Hamas, no doubt. But by doing so they will loose the wider war, isolate themselves politically, and make their own survival harder without friendly nations in a rough neighborhood.

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          9 months ago

          Netanyahu only sharpened the resolve of the Palestinian public. He banned peaceful protest, he punished Palestinians for boycotts or asking the UN for help. He sidelined moderates and undermined the PA. When you get rid of moderates and nonviolent protest, you can’t be surprised when people turn to violence.

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              9 months ago

              The 2018-2019 nonviolent protests in Gaza that the Israeli military fired on and killed 226.

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                  Israel creates racist apartheid laws and illegally starved Gazans in a blockade and you’re mad that people nonviolently broke some of those laws in an attempt to demand their human rights?

                  Human rights violations and unjust imprisonment of an entire population are not something anyone should be expected to just “obey.” Next you’ll be telling me Jews were breaking laws when they tried to escape the Warsaw ghetto.

  • gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works
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    9 months ago

    Sounds like Bibi is trying to implement some sort of “final solution” with regards to the Palestinians.

    It is truly flabbergasting to watch the Israeli government categorically ignore the incredibly obvious and terrible irony here.

    • stoly@lemmy.world
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      9 months ago

      Ironically Israel was never really against holocaust, they just want to make sure that it’s Arabs instead of Jews.