Observe Israel definitely not being an Apartheid state.
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Imagine treating people like that for decades then complain when they react.
One of the biggest failings of society is when we, instead of holding them accountable, give the bullies bigger sticks and look away until it’s “not a problem” anymore.
The casual brutality is terrifying.
The way the man does not react in any way and just lowers the head and keeps walking is even more terrifying.
Why does the West support Zionists?
Biden is older than Israel, he was 6 when it was created, and he has said he will always support them no matter what because when he was a child his father made him promise to.
Elderly people often don’t realize how much has changed. In Biden’s eyes Israel will always be the victims because of WW2.
For him to accept that was generations ago and lots has changed, he’d have to come to terms with how old he is.
And if he could do that, he wouldn’t be trying to increase his record for oldest president ever.
That sounds incredibly childish…
This is how a majority of extremely old people think. To them, what was true in their childhood is always true.
Otherwise put: conservatives - just want everything to the stay the same.
Yep, even a lot of people who were progressives in their time period end up thinking this way. Like Ruth Bader.
It’s not like their choosing to do that.
It’s a normal thing our brains do if we’re lucky enough to live that long.
Humans didn’t evolve to live in such fast pace worlds. So if someone made it to 60, running on “autopilot” wasn’t as big of a deal. So as we lose critical thinking skills (again, completely normal) we fall back on stuff we learned as kids and stereotypes to be able to keep up.
It’s why not having an age limit on elected representives is so crazy.
It’s outright denial of science to pretend an 80 year old is still capable of leading a country. For more reasons than just that one.
I don’t think this applies to all 80 year olds though. Some of the smartest, most open-minded people I’ve met have been 70+ year old university professors. These are the kind of people who retired, and then came back to teach because they were bored. It’s definitely possible for humans to retain their critical thinking well into that late stage of life, but I’ll grant you that most who make it to that age don’t seem to manage it.
I can only hope that if and when I reach that many decades on this planet, I’ll still have the kind of clarity of mind to not get stuck on ‘autopilot’…
Sure, Roger Penrose is a decade older, and he’s probably the most intelligent living person
But a professor working out a few more tweaks to their life’s work is not the peak of their career. And the mental abilities for that is not reacting to a million shitty things at once as the president of America.
It’s kind of high stressed.
The standards are just that much lower for elderly teachers too, and if they’re actually intelligent then they’d freely admit that their age is a negative.
That’s just biology, there’s no way around it. No one peaks at 70 years old…
Let’s not just blame it on someone being old. They know exactly what’s going on they simply don’t care about a bunch of poor people dying when these are in between their ambitions.
Your mistake is thinking everyone that does a shitty thing, did it for the same reason:
That they’re a monster.
That way of thinking is easy, but the “why” is the most important part if you’re trying to prevent the next person from doing the same thing.
I’m not making excuses, I’m explaining the “why” and hoping some day we have a choice for president whose able to make rational decisions.
Fingers crossed for 2028.
I doubt the reason “why” the west is supporting a genocide is a promise the current ceo of usa made as a child, especially given that the same policy has been going on for a century. I also doubt it has much to do with them being old since again the same war policies have been applied for a century.
I like to think biden has, to a good extent. From what I’m seeing in the news, his administration is internally pushing a lot harder on israel than they show externally. Of course he still sends billions through, maybe I’m just projecting
Why? Well the TL;DR is that it’s very fucking complicated.
Israel is a useful military proxy for the US. They probably do a lot of advantageous things for us. (the US isn’t just the tooth fairy after all) i’ve heard on the grape vine that we have existing established weapons deals with israel that could very iffy to overturn (as per usual with this shit)
zionist as a term is also very broad. It can be used to mean quite a lot, though specifically with islam, it seems to be a pretty generic term of “we want our own state” and that’s about it.
hamas is funded/supplied by iran (unless this has changed?), last i checked we bombed the ever living shit out of iran in the war on terror, so they probably don’t like us, and we probably don’t like them, so as far as the US is concerned, this is just a proxy war on iran with israel buying our military equipment. We’ve seen iran strike israel, and israel strike iran, so this is basically just a proxy war at this point.
strategically, from a military perspective, there is probably a “good” reason to be doing this, good as in the sense of keeping your military power healthy. This is technically a way of the US testing equipment in war time, though who knows how much of that is true. military hardware investigation is a fucking nightmare so i might just be pulling that one out of my ass honestly. There are almost certainly other benefits, like the aforementioned proxy war, it allows us to keep an eye on how war tends to work in the middle east, which gives us a technological leg up, because we can prepare for that.
the israel/palestine conflict itself goes back quite far, and continues into even murkier waters. If you look into some of the history it’s pretty fucked up. And incredibly hodge podge. This shit has never been clean, will never be clean, and can never be clean. This is just an unfortunate fact of long term disputes.
israel has kind of pushed palestine into a hard space over the years. Palestine has reacted by creating a hard space to push israel into, which israel is obviously pushing back on. And now we have warfare in an urban setting.
This shit sucks, it’s awful, there’s almost no way to have a set opinion on anything except for the fact that “it’s bad”
oh and need i mention we’re in between what is essentially two marginally different accounts of history through religion? To my knowledge, israel, and palestine refer to the same plot of land (at least roughly) in a historical sense (religious texts lmao, but probably even outside of them) so now we have two parties, who are basically the same party, fighting over what is basically the name of a place, but actually because israel decided they don’t like palestine? (probably, i dont know why they did this shit, could be a multitude of reasons) now it’s essentially escalated into what can only be described as a war.
now to be clear here, i’m not supporting any one party here. I’m just pointing out a handful of complex reasons as to why this might be the case. I hate when people take incredibly complex geopolitical conflicts and rivalries and go “well actually bad dumb and good smart”
It’s just another proxy war with China. US supports Israel. China supports Iran. If the US stops giving Israel the weapons to bomb Palestine, Israel will find someone else to sell them weaponry (China).
My guess would be kompromat. Nothing else is convincingly able to explain Biden’s willingness to crash our democracy into the rocks in defense of the far-right Israeli government.
Kompromat?
Kompromat is damaging information about a politician, a businessperson, or other public figure, which may be used to create negative publicity, as well as for blackmail, often to exert influence rather than monetary gain, and extortion. Kompromat may be acquired from various security services, or outright forged, and then publicized by use of a public relations official.[1]
Historically associated with Russia, but Israeli intelligence has been shown to use blackmail and extortion as well. Thus Ghislaine Maxwell etc.
I would think there is something very damaging, likely illegal, that Israel has on Biden to make him behave like such a good lapdog.
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“The west doesn’t support a Jewish ethnostate state in Palestine, it supports the right for a Jewish ethnostate state in Palestine to exist.”
Hmmm right.
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While the Arab citizens of Israel are treated much better than non-citizens in Gaza, Golan Heights, and the West Bank (and arguably have better rights than even other Muslum states), they are still subject to systemic racism. Their political voice is actively surpressed, not surprising as a Zionist Israel cannot otherwise survive if Jews became a political minority within the country, which is another reason Arabs do not have the “Right to Return”. Here’s one source for you: https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-know-about-arab-citizens-israel
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I’m not calling it an ethnostate or saying they are living under apartheid, nor saying River to the Sea. Just making a point. I don’t know how to balance freedom vs Sharia law, or even if it is possible in a secular democratic country in that region. It would eventually come to that if Arabs had a majority of citizenship. But i do believe Israel deserves to exist for the Jews. And that the Arabs in Gaza, Isreal, and everywhere else deserve freedom to live their lives. l feel I know the history pretty well, and I think Biden is doing as well as he can with the situation. But the whole situation is fucked. The US killed a lot more civilians in the war on terror, and I hate that, but I am content that Bin Laden sleeps with the fishes. It’s hard for me to criticize Israel, while at the same time believing Hamas should be destroyed. But that means they go into Rafah and more kids die. War is hell. Simple as that. Fuck Netanyahu and fuck Hamas.
Do you mean “the west” doesn’t support Biden?
When Joe Biden met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet during his visit to Israel, the U.S. president assured them: “I don’t believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist.”
I’d agree that most people planning on voting for him are really just voting against trump again.
But the sitting US president literally calls himself a Zionist…
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If it is to capture all historical Israel
What?
Name one time Israel’s land area got smaller.
It’s only increased since it’s been created…
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That’s not Israel’s land getting smaller, and only one link works…
You’ve been reported a lot for misinformation in this thread, because you keep saying things that aren’t true.
I didn’t remove your comments tho because the people responding to you provided good sources info.
But since this isn’t a major community, people that do what you’re doing tend to get banned.
If you’re making dubious claims against sourced comments, source your stuff. And don’t just post random links and think that’s enough.
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I want to be with you on this, but the West is clearly materially supporting expansion. If they’re expanding and we’re still sending ammunition, then we’re supporting Zionism.
I do believe there’s also quite a bit of anti-Biden agitprop here. Which can have a grain of truth without being completely true.
ok so, where are we? And who are these people? and what am i seeing?
In Jerusalem. The people getting beat up are Palestinians. The people beating them up are Israeli soldiers.
ok that sounds about right.
Any one instrested should read The Olive Grove: A Palestinian Story by Deborah Rohan. The book follows 3 generations around ww2 of a single family that goes through hell by the zionist of the time.
At 0:28 the guy shows off his Nazi-Fu
Some of these replies seem to think it is okay to hit a random guy, walking passed, in the knee with batons. Escalation of force starts with clear and concise commands. I didn’t see one of those uniformed men command or inform those two that they weren’t allowed to do whatever it is they were doing (appeared to be walking casually on the street) before they busted out the batons.
Can someone clarify for me
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when/where was this taken
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who are the people in “uniform” and how do you know
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what organization published this, i don’t recognize them
The original post is from https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1785325593615032694
“Israeli occupation forces assault Palestinians passing by in the occupied city of Jerusalem.”
I think it is recent. There is Hebrew text and the video is very high definition.
From Wikipedia (Regarding Quds news network).
In short - the site is soo biased and unfavorable they have been banned by X, tiktok and Meta. They have a reputation for being used to fund militant group.
“The Jewish News Syndicate reported in 2023 that the Australian Jewish Association had criticized the site as “a notorious anti-Israel antisemitic propaganda platform affiliated with Hamas.”[9] Twitter subsequently suspended QNN’s accounts in November 2019 as part of broader actions against accounts linked to militant groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah.[10][11][12] In January 2021, TikTok banned QNN, stating that it was a move related to the account’s content.[4] Meta suspended QNN’s English and Arabic pages after the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel.”
(AP via wiki)
It also reported that while QNN says it is independent, it has a reputation of being associated with Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a militant group.
Not exactly a group I would associate with providing the full story
So you’ve cherry-picked from the Wikipedia article, with the transparent goal of trying to persuade that this organisation is not reliable. For example, I could say the following:
From Wikipedia:
In short - the site is independent, one of the most popular news sources in Palestine. Some people have tried to connect them to Hamas, but nothing has stuck. Israel killed the director of the site in 2023.
“In 2015, the Christian Science Monitor reported that the network was run by 12 freelance correspondents and 60 volunteer field reporters…”
“The QNN states it is independent and funds itself through advertisements, and that it aims to expose the acts of the Israeli occupation.”
“QNN director Sari Mansour and freelance photographer Hassouneh Salim were killed by an Israeli airstrike on the Bureij refugee camp in central Gaza on 18 November 2023”
Now I’m not saying I’m convinced either way. But my question is why are you trying obviously to convince me one way?
I’ve cherry picked because this video has been cherrypicked, and arguing with someone who’s just repeating its a video and just take what they call it as fact.
Its like me saying “this is a video of Israel discussing and enforcing the best way to protect Palestine civilians while they protect themselves”, putting up a video of a few people in a uniform talking and expecting everything to comment back how amazing Israel is - I would expect everyone to cherry pick the issues with me doing this, especially when all I do is repeat “but its a video”.
Then link the full video. “They cherry pick!!!”, but bring nothing to the table to believe your statement.
Im not the one who posted the original video.
Its like people sprouting “prove God doesn’t exist” - im not the one saying this is a fact and need to back it up.
Saying that, one other poster did provide me with some pretty good insight with sources - ignoring before/after video possibilities the evidence they provided is pretty damming to Israel, and even without it they would have alot to answer for.
Sir this is a video. Do you not trust your eyes?
Propaganda bots like you fucking disgust me
Well played, you seem to always question and needle at posts that show crimes against Palestinians. Never seem to question or confront the mass slaughter of women and children in Gaza. Never question the land grabs, the constant illegal settlement building, never the well established apartheid by Israel. Bravo, you’re not bad at being an apologist for genocide. Your willingness to dehumanize the Palestinian people still reveals itself. Regardless, the world can no longer unsee the horrors in Gaza. They are starting to see that Israel is led by religious fanatics, and has become its own worst enemy.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/
Its almost like there is an entire propaganda campaign from both sides where facts and accuracy have taken a back seat to pushing agendas and swinging public opinion. Like the amount of people outraged by half truths is covering accurate reporting and fact from authoritive sources, and arguments are downvoting anything that doesn’t confirm to their already established world view that was built on these half truths.
If you’re that pissed, block me and move on - because the basic who/when/where still hasn’t been answered.
Sealioning. ‘Both sides’ you say, and when was it that you ever focused on both sides? Tell us, what do you think of the mass slaughter of women and children in Gaza? The total leveling of infrastructure, schools, hospitals? Conditions of famine? Do you want to look up for us how many times Israel was called out for illegal settlement building going back decades? Did the land grabs ever stop? The apartheid upon the Palestinian people? The slow genocide now turned blitzkrieg. The fanatics in charge?
Do tell. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/
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Twitter link if Catbox has problems https://twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1785325593615032694
The country should have been divided into a northern country and a southern country just like ancient Israel was.
That way both parties could exist from the river to the sea.
These particular officers are really only making their ranks look bad in the eyes of the people they are claiming to protect. If they are not disciplined in a meaningful way, then there is a big problem here brewing.
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They are not “only making their ranks look bad”. More important than their fucking looks and reputation is that they are also brutalizing and traumatizing an occupied People.
Agreed. We do not know the whole story here, but it does not look good and I am willing to bet these people being attacked is unjustified.
We do not know the whole story here
Maybe not he whole story for this specific instance, but the whole story generally is something that rhymes with “Israel is a genocidal apartheid state.”
I would agree with that by the evidence we are seeing but the comment I made was about this incident specifically in the USA.
My guy Palestine is occupied since 1948 by Israel who, usually, “only” did sporadic bombings here and there. Now there’s an active war with some 35k dead and Israeli forces preparing to invade Rafah which has an encampment of unthinkable amounts of refugees. There’s a genocide going on right now. This kind of behaviour is encouraged, not ignored. Their ranks look bad enough committing genocide, it isn’t a few “bad apples”.
