For the record I support multi gender spaces but I am apparently in the minority of people who thinks bears are scary

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    A very hyperbolic feminist journalist and, look, I get that most men are unaware of how anxious we can inadvertently make women feel but hyperbole doesn’t help foster a productive conversation.

    Here’s one thread on it: https://lemmy.world/post/14872533

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      Did you read the article? It doesn’t seem hyperbolic. Just an explanation with humor.

      This should be a very easy question! I want to say the man, I really do, but I can’t shake the idea that I would be safer with the bear. I am not sure if it is men or bears that are being most maligned in all of this, but there is no denying that is this a very revealing question

      The beauty of the question lies in its vagueness because that forces you to work with averages. On average, is a woman safer in the woods with a man or a bear?

      Let’s start with the bears. Bear attacks are highly sensationalised but rare… Black bears attack and kill around one human per year in America, and because of humans encroaching on their territories, black bear attacks are on the rise in Japan.

      Bears generally leave humans alone and will alter their behaviour to avoid us where possible.

      On average, two women per week are murdered by their partner or ex-partner in the UK. According to the UN, 55 per cent of all female homicides worldwide are committed by intimate partners or other family members, at a rate of five deaths every single hour.

      71 per cent of women of all ages in the UK have experienced some form of sexual harassment in a public space

      A bear will act like a bear. It’s predictable and it’s going to avoid you if it can. It’s not going to pester you for a date and then monologue about the Godfather trilogy.

      Then there is the fact that if I was attacked by a bear, no one would tell me I was making it up. I wouldn’t be asked what I was wearing, if I was drunk, or what I had done to provoke the bear

      humans kill far more bears every year than the other way around. The thought experiment is fun but flawed as it sets up a false dichotomy. Humans don’t live in close proximity with bears like we do with each other. … what the question does is expose is the fact for many women, a strange man in the woods is still an obvious threat.

      It literally walks you through the points and ends on a realistic, somber note.

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        Nope I hadn’t, that’s actually pretty nuanced and well considered… I’ve only seen the article linked by title and the title definitely feels like flame bait

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        The beauty of the question lies in its vagueness because that forces you to work with averages. On average, is a woman safer in the woods with a man or a bear?

        Average woman crosses paths with hundreds of thousands of men in their life

        Average woman likely never sees a bear in their life even once

        Hmm I wonder why you can find more examples of male violence??

        A bear will act like a bear. It’s predictable and it’s going to avoid you if it can. It’s not going to pester you for a date and then monologue about the Godfather trilogy.

        Meanwhile like half of recorded bear attacks are nightmare fuel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_bear_attacks_in_North_America

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          Maybe you missed my edit where I included the ending. You definitely missed the main point of the article

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            Yeah I missed your edit

            Ok so they are scared of men so would rather be eaten by a bear. I don’t see that as somber I see that as a lack of any common sense and it also makes me feel sad that we are this disconnected from nature

            Do these folks know what happens when you see a bear? The fight or flight response your body has is ridiculous. Because evolution has it baked into our brains that bear = danger. I mean the last time I was charged by a bear, the guy I was with actually pissed himself lol

            NONE of these women, if actually found in this supposed hypothetical situation, are going to choose bear