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        My dear boy, the answer is of fucking course it is, because everywhere in the world is

        there is no gaytopia. best you’re gonna find is the gay village! But I mean, they do alright there.

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      It is, and that’s when a discussion about Muslim nations gets very real.

      They still don’t deserve their treatment. But I think most people would prefer to live in a culture similar to Israel’s over one similar to Iran’s.

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      And? So is where I grew up in the southern US. There are states I can’t legally visit anymore if I want to piss in a public restroom. That doesn’t mean I’m okay with bombing most of the hospitals, schools, and homes there and killing tens of thousands of civilians. Anyone OK with that because they’re bigoted in some way has a fucking moral deficiency.

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        Most of the southern US won’t stone you or murder you in broad daylight though. What’s happening in Palestine and Israel is fucked up, but it doesn’t give a pass to the shit they do to the LGTBQ+ and women over there.

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          I think everyone even Arabs agree that the majority of people is homophobic/transphobic. Fine.

          But please state a source for people in Palestine being stoned, like at all, no matter the reason. What kind of place do you think Palestine is?

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            https://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=81112&page=1

            You’re joking right? There are literal laws all over the middle east in Islamic run nations about stoning people, just type stoning and middle east(ps this doesnt exclude Israel, they’ve arrested their own who have done it) into Google and you’re going to get a ton of results. Why is this shocking? Sharia law has it as a form of punishment.

            In recent times, stoning has been a legal or customary punishment in Iran, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Yemen, northern Nigeria, Afghanistan, Brunei, and tribal parts of Pakistan, including northwest Kurram Valley and the northwest Khwezai-Baezai region though it is rarely carried out.[1][2][3][4] In some of these countries, including Afghanistan, it has been carried out extrajudicially by militants, tribal leaders, and others.[2] In some other countries, including Nigeria and Pakistan, although stoning is a legal form of punishment, it has never been legally carried out. Stoning is condemned by human rights organizations.

            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning#

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                  There is a huge fucking difference between a hate crime and stoning as legal punishment.

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              Not joking at all. Don’t show me a Wikipedia article, show me a newspaper article about someone being stoned in Palestine.

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                  So we’re talking about stoning people that’s allegedly happening due to violations of sharia law and you bring up a story from 2001 so probably during the second intifada about an incident involving illegal Israeli settlers.

                  I wanted to assume that you maybe just don’t know better but this is just bad faith from your side.

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        This doesn’t make any sense - if anything it’s backwards. being oppressed doesn’t give anyone a free pass to oppress others. That kind of twisted logic is what Israel uses to get away with murder.

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          Fun fact, you can’t find anywhere in my comment that says “being oppressed makes oppressing others okay” because that’s not what it says. It says that their parents potentially being bigoted isn’t an excuse to blow up their fucking children.

          I’ve yet to have anyone give me a satisfactory explanation for why Palestinian kids deserve to have their limbs blown off or killed for living in an area hostile to LGBT people, but the people I grew up with who are equally hostile to LGBT people don’t deserve to have their kids’ limbs blown off or killed. If the answer is “American children are simply worth more than Palestinian children” then they should just come out and say it, but all I ever get is bleating about the same shit I already addressed.

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            I’ve yet to have anyone give me a satisfactory explanation for why Palestinian kids deserve to have their limbs blown off or killed for living in an area hostile to LGBT people

            Is anyone actually saying this? What I usually see, like “queers for Palestine” is the opposite — people who excuse the extreme homophobia and misogyny in Islamic countries.

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              You are in a thread that started with a 1 day old account JAQing off about how transphobic Palestine is on a post about Palestinians campaigning for LGBT rights. If you don’t see that the purpose of that comment is to legitimize violence against Palestine I can’t help you.

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                If that’s the case then OP is an enormous jackass. That still doesn’t change the fact that queer Palestinians are absolutely being oppressed in their country (or what should be a country) and this is too often swept under the rug.

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      How come do you think South Africa was one of the first countries to legalize marriage equality? Solidarity is how we do away with hate.

      Go watch Pride. 2014 British movie. Will make you cry.

      Edit, fuck I went and watched the ending again and I’m crying.

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      Why is this relevant? The article is about Palestinian activists fighting for LGBT rights for Palestine. Yes the rights of LGBT people in Palestine are not great … But that’s literally what this article is about, Palestinians fighting to make it better

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      Why? America was/is still super homophobic should Americans stop?

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    Hamas would love nothing more than to stabilize the country of Palestine, and then resume systematically throwing gay and trans people off roofs of buildings. “Queers for Palestine” protestors are all hopeful morons.

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        Who do you think was elected to run the governance of Gaza and Palestine before Israel plowed through?

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          Anyone under 36 wasn’t even eligible to vote the last time Palestine had parliamentary elections. Holding people responsible for elections that happened before they could vote or before they were even born is absolutely deranged.

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            Anyone under 36 wasn’t even eligible to vote the last time Palestine had parliamentary elections.

            I’d be willing to wager that an unusually large portion of the population falls into that category as well. Anyone have any statistics about the demographics of Palestine? Oh, their annual census is out of date? You don’t say.

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              Funny how most who argue in favor of Israel use assumptions and knee-jerk reactions while most who don’t cite statistics and most uncharitably, regurgitate real historical events. Publicly aired discussions on the matter are sleep parody. On one side you have the world’s top holocaust scholars and journalists who have covered the region for years, if not decades and on the other you have talking heads and maybe a twitch streamer or internet personality. Then they make the implication that both sides are equally qualified to speak on the matter. I’m convinced the likes of Pierce Morgan are actually pro-Palestine figures with how bad they make their side look. If I didn’t know better, I’d have to think there isn’t many credible arguments you can make in defense of Israel or something

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              I believe 40% is under the age of 15. So, during the last vote, 40% were, at most, around -3 at the time. I don’t they were…

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      Did anyone here read the article? Two paragraphs are about Queers for Palestine. The rest is about actual Palestinians trying to fight for LGBT rights. So many people here trying to dunk on how dumb it is to fight for this when it’s the people actually over there fighting for their rights. Are you saying that shouldn’t happen?