Downvoted not because it isn’t true, but because they aren’t automatically mutually exclusive and because it is an unnecessary jab at half of the human species. Why are we paying attention to divisive bullshit instead of focusing on things that actually have the potential to help?
Purely personal speculation here, I haven’t done any hard reading on the subject:
I suspect we need a two-pronged approach. There’s two issues here. The first one, and by far and away the most important one to address, is the simple fact that women are being assaulted a lot. I don’t think that fact is in question among rational people. The way we’ve been attempting to fix this so far is to tell men to not rape women. It should be pretty obvious that tactic has a very limited potential to help. Anyone willing to listen to women saying to not rape them, isn’t generally interested in raping women in the first place. We need different methods to reach people who either aren’t interested in listening, or who don’t think what they’re doing is “bad”. This will require a lot of work and research, but the first step is acknowledging that the current efforts are not helping.
The second issue is the amplification of toxic mindsets among women. Like I said, this is absolutely not as big a problem, but it is a problem, and it’s one we haven’t been allowed to talk about for fear of being labeled misogynistic. Women say “not all men” as if it’s a joke, but it’s actually a REALLY IMPORTANT TRUE STATEMENT. Men wanting to not be discriminated against should not be the butt of a joke. Sexism is not okay, even in response to sexism. We need to clamp down on that and make it clear that such language is not acceptable.
The phrase “women’s safety is more important than men’s feelings” is just as disingenuous as calling the anti-abortion movement the “pro-life” movement. Because it’s not about women’s safety, everyone here agrees that women’s safety is important. This whole discussion is about women’s perception of safety: women’s feelings.
When you say “women’s safety is more important than men’s feelings”
What you mean is “women’s feelings is more important than men’s feelings”
In reality, it’s not attacking half the human species. It’s actually attacking people who perpetrate SA, and other people who cheerlead for them. One problem is that many men react just the way you reacted. Instead of saying “let’s solve this problem”, you say “quit being so divisive”. Unfortunately, those are your values.
“I realized men are evil, masculinity is toxic, these are statements of truth and the only ones who deny this shit are cis men themselves.” - CheesyCheese1 This thread
☝️ Top comment when i got here. This issue brings out as many misandrists as it does misogynists.
Even my gf who wasn’t aware of this meme picked the bear vs a random man when i asked her, so obviously there is a problem. But in reality i don’t give a shit if some rando woman would prefer a bear over me in the woods, whatever makes her feel safer i guess. I do care about being tarred with the rape brush though, and this topic is being used to attack all men rather than just the problem ones.
Downvoted not because it isn’t true, but because they aren’t automatically mutually exclusive and because it is an unnecessary jab at half of the human species. Why are we paying attention to divisive bullshit instead of focusing on things that actually have the potential to help?
What will help?
Purely personal speculation here, I haven’t done any hard reading on the subject:
I suspect we need a two-pronged approach. There’s two issues here. The first one, and by far and away the most important one to address, is the simple fact that women are being assaulted a lot. I don’t think that fact is in question among rational people. The way we’ve been attempting to fix this so far is to tell men to not rape women. It should be pretty obvious that tactic has a very limited potential to help. Anyone willing to listen to women saying to not rape them, isn’t generally interested in raping women in the first place. We need different methods to reach people who either aren’t interested in listening, or who don’t think what they’re doing is “bad”. This will require a lot of work and research, but the first step is acknowledging that the current efforts are not helping.
The second issue is the amplification of toxic mindsets among women. Like I said, this is absolutely not as big a problem, but it is a problem, and it’s one we haven’t been allowed to talk about for fear of being labeled misogynistic. Women say “not all men” as if it’s a joke, but it’s actually a REALLY IMPORTANT TRUE STATEMENT. Men wanting to not be discriminated against should not be the butt of a joke. Sexism is not okay, even in response to sexism. We need to clamp down on that and make it clear that such language is not acceptable.
The phrase “women’s safety is more important than men’s feelings” is just as disingenuous as calling the anti-abortion movement the “pro-life” movement. Because it’s not about women’s safety, everyone here agrees that women’s safety is important. This whole discussion is about women’s perception of safety: women’s feelings.
When you say “women’s safety is more important than men’s feelings”
What you mean is “women’s feelings is more important than men’s feelings”
And that’s not cool. That’s sexism.
Well say no more!
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Also, wtf, downvoting the guy asking for solutions? Explain yourself, lemmy
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Uh oh. Sorry dude. Downvoted for using the forbidden punctuation. Them’s tha rules…
In reality, it’s not attacking half the human species. It’s actually attacking people who perpetrate SA, and other people who cheerlead for them. One problem is that many men react just the way you reacted. Instead of saying “let’s solve this problem”, you say “quit being so divisive”. Unfortunately, those are your values.
I support sexual assualt because I think associating all men with sexual assault is divisive? Eat shit and die.
“I realized men are evil, masculinity is toxic, these are statements of truth and the only ones who deny this shit are cis men themselves.” - CheesyCheese1 This thread
☝️ Top comment when i got here. This issue brings out as many misandrists as it does misogynists.
Even my gf who wasn’t aware of this meme picked the bear vs a random man when i asked her, so obviously there is a problem. But in reality i don’t give a shit if some rando woman would prefer a bear over me in the woods, whatever makes her feel safer i guess. I do care about being tarred with the rape brush though, and this topic is being used to attack all men rather than just the problem ones.