Members of the software developer community have reported deleting or altering their posts to prevent them from being used by OpenAI.
Irc: I ain’t dead yet bitch! Discord is fucking awful for dev and search.
Stack overflow still have users? These days it rarely shows up on my search results and when it does the answers are always outdated by several years.
What options are there to use instead? I think they’re still often having the best results, and are usually near the top.
I guess I’ve moved to the part of my career where Stack Overflow isn’t that helpful, but I’ve found a lot of utility in searching issues on GitHub and Reddit posts.
I’m right there with you. It’s nice to know it’s been there if I needed it. I don’t find myself there very often anymore and when I do it’s often to compare official docs to other ways to approach something or because the getting started section of the official docs felt weird or wrong.
Interesting, I still see it pretty consistently in the first few results in my experience and usually with a pretty recent one too
But are they losing the first positions because they’re losing relevance, or is it due to other sites abusing seo and search engines abusing from advertising results?
I’d say the former.
Many queries don’t find relevant questions, and the relevant questions are often not answered properly. I often find the exact same problem I’m having, but the answers are just a bunch of those CV padders that post completely irrelevant answers based on a buzzword they saw while skimming the question.
When I do find relevant answers, lately they’re all so old that they no longer work, or rely on now deprecated functionality of a library or system.
Finding code snippets for interfacing with Azure through PowerShell is a crapshoot because Microsoft keeps deprecating different PowerShell modules for it.
It’s time for a federated version. How about “OutOfMemory”? It would fit because, I always return to the same topics on StackOverflow.
Stack Overflow, technically a neutral term. Idk though whether the name in such a context would violate any trademark laws even if it’s a non-profit platform.
Snack Overflow
Nullpointer Exception
Access Violation
RubberDuckHaven
If it’s free online, you are the product
Not necessarily, no. There are a plethora of non-profit services and pages on the net.
What platform do you think you used to write that commeent?
Regarding platforms of for-profit companies, you are more right than wrong though.
Oh I was referring to for profit. Should have specified. I’m used to using that when meta screws over their users.
Alright, I’ll bite, what’s the FOSS endgame?
Lately it’s been companies using liberal licenses to build their product up really fast and then doing a rig pull bcz “oh no we can’t have competition!”.
But it’s also from the user perspective… Freedom to not pay a lonely dev that’s been coding on the project for “fun” or “for the community” for 15 years.
I love free software, but if y:all want it to succeed you need to support the devs!
I hate 2024
time for users to shred their comments and posts
And so the enshitification continues…
I bet its related to the continuous need to liquidate resources to support the proxy war effort. You can’t print money withour offering some value.
Do people still use stack overflow? I feel like their days are numbered.
Well, when good documentation is available it isn’t necessary but good documentation is not always available. And it can still be helpful with niche issues 🤷
I mean, good documentation + LLM = Stack overflow is 100% obsolete
Why else would they speed run enshitification?
To make money. If user engagement drops, revenue drops. The existing content is the only real asset this company has.
Nope, Documentation + LLM misses the big chunk what we call human errors, commonly x y problems, LLM are good until you need to get deep then they start giving surface level answer it’s possible to point them toward the right direction by refining but at that point i would prefer reading Documentation.
PowerShell Microsoft Graph Module. Most of the official doc pages have at least one section of “TODO” in them.
After they officially deprecated the previous modules with similar functionality.
Oh, look, it’s Reddit all over again.
(Yes, yes, different reason. Same user response, though.)
And they smell bad too!
Looks like downvoters don’t get the joke. I first seen it on the cover of Horrible History.
What?
It’s an old, bad, joke on the two definitions of revolting.
I think it would’ve been funny if the title was “StackOverflow contributors are revolting” and the comment was “a little more than usual.”
But hey, gotta get whatever amount of humor in while you can.
He’s punning on the multiple meanings of “revolting”.
Stack Overflow Users Are Revolting Against an OpenAI Deal
Stack Overflow Users Are Revolting
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/revolting
Adjective
revolting (comparative more revolting, superlative most revolting)
repulsive, disgusting
The most revolting smell was coming from the drains.
I feel so bad for the long term contributors :/
The only good thing I could think off, is that someone is going to create a defederated stackoverflow alternative?
Or something similar, to bring back real human interaction…
If this wasn’t enough, This will probably raise war against corporated AI.
Why need another federated protocol, Lemmy should be more than plenty
That actually sounds like a good idea. Like Lemmy you have communities of common or popular languages like java or python which you can join and everyone there assists with questions. As it grows you might see a node for spring or flask get created for more niche discussions.
Maybe someone should create Lemmy. Oh wait…
It won’t. Some people will scream bloody murder, most people will ignore it.
SO was in decline anyway. Most answers you’ll find are several years old and outdated, because some idiot thought the new ones are duplicates.
So now a few people will leave, the spamming idiots will keep spamming the platform with low effort nonsensical answers and its relevance will dwindle just a bit faster.
Look at Reddit. Last year there was a huge outrage and today it’s pretty much the same as before.
Most people don’t care. Most people feel so powerless, that they’ll accept every privacy scandal, every exploitive business strategy, every sellout of their platform.
This is something I have tried to convey since I came here when people are fantasising about the death of Reddit, I just couldn’t put it as eloquent as yourself.
I take the approach that me not using Reddit, or Amazon or whatever else is a choice I make so I can live with myself, and not that I believe it will have an impact.
I have alluded to this in previous comments in the past, that many of the choices I make actually negatively impact me more than the company I’m avoiding. Example: Not using WhatsApp means I can’t join group chats with friends as they won’t use signal as the things I care about, are meaningless to them. Or that I can’t find some items to buy except from on Amazon so I just won’t buy them etc.
All we can do is stick to our own morals and let others do as they will as it’s futile to make people care about the things we think they should.
I feel this. I’m well aware that if my partner wasn’t on Facebook, we wouldn’t have a social life. I HATE that fact, but that, sadly, is where people put their events. I don’t think I’d join if she left, but I can’t deny that I benefit from her being on the platform.
She won’t leave until everybody else does, and they won’t leave until everybody else does, and so nobody leaves. It’s dystopian.
Is Reddit pretty much the same? From my limited perspective, a lot of the genuine contributors left, quietly or otherwise. I’ve found it much more difficult to have an interesting discussion on there since the API debacle. Most of Reddit was already lurkers and bots, so all it took was a significant proportion of the tiny minority of quality contributors to take their time elsewhere for reddit to become a complete dumpster fire.
Subs that I go on that used to get hundreds or thousands of comments now are lucky to reach 50 or so.
The only good thing I could think off, is that someone is going to create a defederated stackoverflow alternative?
I’ve read of someone making an alternative to stackexchange federated.
Let me lookup for it and add a link here.Here it is:
https://lemmy.ml/post/15471686Interesting.
Someone there mentioned Codidact, which is available today.
Do you mean federated? And what would federation solve?
The only way you’re separating humans from LLM will be by asking for government ID but that would eliminate anonymity. And even so people could sneak in LLMs under their credentials.
God forbid someone get a JavaScript snippet that uses var instead of let or const.
