These drugs aren’t dangerous, and for those that seek them it’s often life saving. This isn’t “illegal prescriptions” like oxy for a high that fuels drug trade. Seriously, there is no gain for humanity by making life MORE difficult for trans folk. Especially in the UK where the wait list for a prescription is literally YEARS long.
It’s super duper disengenerous to call these illegal drug. Their medicine for people with gender dysphoria, and further restricting their access to it is nothing short of cruelty.
No one gives a shit about your opinion. Drugs are controlled for many reasons. And if some drug is controlled, then any web site selling them without a prescription is breaking a law.
Forgetting that the law does not equal morality, and that these harmless medications are blocked from a 3+ years long wait list to get legally. No trans person WANTS to use the web for their healthcare, they WANT to have access to regular blood panels and those holding degrees, but in the UK that is simply not possible due to arbitrary meaningless political attacks.
Take your “just follow the law” argument all the way to legalized slavery and realize how ignorant, privileged and foolish you sound.
Which ignores the context that getting them with a prescription is becoming a functional immposiblity for trans people in the UK. I support the concept that prescription drugs should not be for sale, BUT it is disengenerous that the prescription process is arbitrarily years long and constantly under attack.
My trans friend who lives in the UK has been forced to get her medication from the web because she has been on a waiting list to get a prescription for over three years now! She actively wants someone with a medical degree involved in her care, but that’s literally immposible for her, despite her well paying job. It’s easy enough to say “don’t break the law” while ignoring the people harmed.
It is in the UK it’s prescription only other than a very low dose, in which case it’s pharmacy only following consultation with the pharmacist… these are controlled drugs under UK law
I suspect you are talking about weed, and I agree that it should be just as legal as tobacco.
I am in favour of a general legalization of recreational drugs, preferably through a state owned monopoly like the Swedish alcohol monopoly.
Tax it like tobacco or alcohol, the government would get a shitload of taxes to deal with issues stemming from abuse, while also creating a LOT of new jobs.
I would even like to see the stores have a certified counselor on staff who is trained to advice and guide customers toward the right experience they want, and an addiction specialist who are available to help people get the help they want to get clean.
Having a system like this would enable the government to guarantee that the drugs they sell are clean and relatively safe for consumption, thus reducing the need for healthcare, it would also probably almost stop the sharing of needles, further reducing the need for healthcare.
It would be one of the most effective ways to get rid of gangs, not only would it almost wipe out their biggest income, but it would also provide more jobs for former gang members, giving them a better way to a better life.
The government decided to make a drug require a prescription. Wheather this is good or bad in this specific case, I don’t know.
A website is selling said drug without needing a prescription to the citizens in the same country. The government tries to stop it and make it follow the rules. This is good as the government has not verified what they are selling and can’t aproove a side channel bypassing their own rules.
I get people being pissed at 1, but not doing 2 would be far worse than changing 1.
I am trying to focus the attention on the most effective target, namely the reason why Google was requested to take action in the first place.
Focus your energy on the reason as to why the drugs are prescrption and deal with that problem, once that is done the website issues will solve itself.
You’re missing 1.5: Make it impossible for people who every professional medical association of good repute says said medication help, get the medication by prescription.
That is another issue, if the medical professional has excellent reputation and can prove and explain the need for the drugs then there is a need to figure out why their recommendations are not followed and what steps are needed to rectify that.
If however the medical professional only has a good reputation in fringe/pseudo science circles, then the government should not just run ahead with their recommendations, untill there is solid evidence for their claims.
This is not about “fringe science.” Or, rather, it actually is; the fringe science being the evidence that the government is using for what they’re doing to trans people.
The attacks on trans people in the UK are so insane that the government is now claiming, with a straight face, that people under the age of 25 are not capable of making medical decisions about their own bodies. That’s kind of quackery that is being employed to justify these decisions.
The global medical community wholeheartedly agrees that puberty blockers and HRT are good and safe treatments. There is no meaningful medical consensus that says otherwise. However it is now almost impossible to actually get prescriptions for these drugs in the UK in anything short of a years long timeframe, which in the case of puberty blockers effectively makes it impossible to get them at all, since for obvious reasons they’re somewhat time sensitive. People are turning to illegal sources because they are being shut out from the legal ones.
And no, the fact that puberty blockers and hormone replacement have some potential side effects is not a good reason to ban them (or restrict them so severely that they might as well be banned). Aspirin and paracetamol have potential side effects. Every drug does. In a functional society, the solution is to have doctors monitor the patient’s usage, and adjust dosages or switch to different drugs if problems arise. That’s how medicine works in the modern world. Carving out a specific exclusion to that just for trans people is bigotry, plain and simple.
To steal a line, if any anti-depressant were as successful as HRT at treating depression, it would be hailed as a miracle. The only “controversy” over these drugs is manufactured by regressive idiots who hate and fear what they don’t understand.
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U.K. makes Google remove search results going to illegal prescription drug website
Fucking horseshit.
These drugs aren’t dangerous, and for those that seek them it’s often life saving. This isn’t “illegal prescriptions” like oxy for a high that fuels drug trade. Seriously, there is no gain for humanity by making life MORE difficult for trans folk. Especially in the UK where the wait list for a prescription is literally YEARS long.
It’s super duper disengenerous to call these illegal drug. Their medicine for people with gender dysphoria, and further restricting their access to it is nothing short of cruelty.
No one gives a shit about your opinion. Drugs are controlled for many reasons. And if some drug is controlled, then any web site selling them without a prescription is breaking a law.
Forgetting that the law does not equal morality, and that these harmless medications are blocked from a 3+ years long wait list to get legally. No trans person WANTS to use the web for their healthcare, they WANT to have access to regular blood panels and those holding degrees, but in the UK that is simply not possible due to arbitrary meaningless political attacks.
Take your “just follow the law” argument all the way to legalized slavery and realize how ignorant, privileged and foolish you sound.
Calm down and re read my post, I said that the website selling prescription drugs without a prescription is illegal.
Which ignores the context that getting them with a prescription is becoming a functional immposiblity for trans people in the UK. I support the concept that prescription drugs should not be for sale, BUT it is disengenerous that the prescription process is arbitrarily years long and constantly under attack.
My trans friend who lives in the UK has been forced to get her medication from the web because she has been on a waiting list to get a prescription for over three years now! She actively wants someone with a medical degree involved in her care, but that’s literally immposible for her, despite her well paying job. It’s easy enough to say “don’t break the law” while ignoring the people harmed.
estrogen is not a controlled substance tho, so not really “illegal”, it’s more of a gray legal area
Good thing I never called it illegal then (:
I only called a website selling prescription drugs without a permit illegal.
It is in the UK it’s prescription only other than a very low dose, in which case it’s pharmacy only following consultation with the pharmacist… these are controlled drugs under UK law
Lemmy[.]zip has some sane people.
“well they had to block it it was illegal”
Reminds me of the classic
“it’s not slavery, it’s just punishment which doesn’t burden the taxpayer”
I suspect you are talking about weed, and I agree that it should be just as legal as tobacco.
I am in favour of a general legalization of recreational drugs, preferably through a state owned monopoly like the Swedish alcohol monopoly.
Tax it like tobacco or alcohol, the government would get a shitload of taxes to deal with issues stemming from abuse, while also creating a LOT of new jobs.
I would even like to see the stores have a certified counselor on staff who is trained to advice and guide customers toward the right experience they want, and an addiction specialist who are available to help people get the help they want to get clean.
Having a system like this would enable the government to guarantee that the drugs they sell are clean and relatively safe for consumption, thus reducing the need for healthcare, it would also probably almost stop the sharing of needles, further reducing the need for healthcare.
It would be one of the most effective ways to get rid of gangs, not only would it almost wipe out their biggest income, but it would also provide more jobs for former gang members, giving them a better way to a better life.
These are two different points.
The government decided to make a drug require a prescription. Wheather this is good or bad in this specific case, I don’t know.
A website is selling said drug without needing a prescription to the citizens in the same country. The government tries to stop it and make it follow the rules. This is good as the government has not verified what they are selling and can’t aproove a side channel bypassing their own rules.
I get people being pissed at 1, but not doing 2 would be far worse than changing 1.
is a comment that attempts to resolve the people in power of any wrongdoing over the situation
and no, you can’t consider the two events in complete isolation from one another because they’re both targeting the same end goal
What are you talking about?
I am trying to focus the attention on the most effective target, namely the reason why Google was requested to take action in the first place.
Focus your energy on the reason as to why the drugs are prescrption and deal with that problem, once that is done the website issues will solve itself.
You’re missing 1.5: Make it impossible for people who every professional medical association of good repute says said medication help, get the medication by prescription.
That is another issue, if the medical professional has excellent reputation and can prove and explain the need for the drugs then there is a need to figure out why their recommendations are not followed and what steps are needed to rectify that.
If however the medical professional only has a good reputation in fringe/pseudo science circles, then the government should not just run ahead with their recommendations, untill there is solid evidence for their claims.
It’s because they’re transphobic Watson. The whole god damned island hates trans people
This is not about “fringe science.” Or, rather, it actually is; the fringe science being the evidence that the government is using for what they’re doing to trans people.
The attacks on trans people in the UK are so insane that the government is now claiming, with a straight face, that people under the age of 25 are not capable of making medical decisions about their own bodies. That’s kind of quackery that is being employed to justify these decisions.
The global medical community wholeheartedly agrees that puberty blockers and HRT are good and safe treatments. There is no meaningful medical consensus that says otherwise. However it is now almost impossible to actually get prescriptions for these drugs in the UK in anything short of a years long timeframe, which in the case of puberty blockers effectively makes it impossible to get them at all, since for obvious reasons they’re somewhat time sensitive. People are turning to illegal sources because they are being shut out from the legal ones.
And no, the fact that puberty blockers and hormone replacement have some potential side effects is not a good reason to ban them (or restrict them so severely that they might as well be banned). Aspirin and paracetamol have potential side effects. Every drug does. In a functional society, the solution is to have doctors monitor the patient’s usage, and adjust dosages or switch to different drugs if problems arise. That’s how medicine works in the modern world. Carving out a specific exclusion to that just for trans people is bigotry, plain and simple.
To steal a line, if any anti-depressant were as successful as HRT at treating depression, it would be hailed as a miracle. The only “controversy” over these drugs is manufactured by regressive idiots who hate and fear what they don’t understand.
I never called trans medicine fringe or pseudo science, I just said that the government should listen to the mainstream medical field.
Fringe science in general needs to mature into mainstream science before governments can start dumping money on it.
I don’t believe that it is wrong to demand evidence of science, I thought that was the entire point of science.
All drug? If so, this is bad.