The court’s decision to dismiss evidence obtained from Mossack Fonseca’s servers on grounds of “due process” is a masterstroke of legal gymnastics. It’s as if the smoking gun in a murder case were deemed inadmissible because the detective forgot to say “please” when collecting it.

Shameless. And despite the evidence being known to exist, that “due process” will never happen when so many current and former heads of state are on the defendant list.

World leaders and politicians:

• David Cameron: Former British Prime Minister
• Volodymyr Zelensky: Current President of Ukraine
• Mauricio Macri: Former President of Argentina
• Iceland’s Prime Minister (unnamed in the search results, but known to be Sigmundur Davíð Gunnlaugsson), who resigned due to the scandal

Celebrities and sports figures:

• Lionel Messi: Argentine football icon
• Pedro Almodovar: Spanish filmmaker

Business figures:

• Aliko Dangote: Africa’s richest man

As we watch these 28 defendants walk free, let us not forget the true victims of this charade: the countless millions who bear the burden of a system rigged against them.

Yesssss! It only goes with everything! I like soaking it in broth and then mixixng it in to a mac’n’cheese recipe.

Okay, so I might be biased but as 8+ year vegan the price barrier is such a cop out. My grocery budget went DOWN after I stopped buying meat. My girlfriend and I eat for a whole month for about $350, breakfast, lunch, dinner. There is more to vegan diets than those lame impossible/bocca/gardiens prepackaged frozen junk, I literally never buy any of it.

Tofu, beans and rice are cheap as hell. Like, of course prepared food is expensive but if you learn the basic easy ways to prepare it yourself you will save a ton. I use this recipe a ton as a base and then change the spices a bit for the specific dish. This site also has a ton of easy basic recipes.

Of course I agree that meat subsidarys are the real problem, but I flat out refuse to accept “veganism is expensive” as a legitimate claim.

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hypocrites who call out others while justifying their own ethical blind spots are typically more interested in self-righteousness than actually improving the world.

Exactly. I agree completely, but scroll up and remember I didn’t call ANYONE out in my original comment. I came to this thread because my perspective was asked for in the title. You came to me with a “but plants” trying to call MY beliefs out. So think whatever you want, but frankly, leave me the hell alone. This isn’t a discussion I asked for, it’s not on topic and you’re not saying anything interesting.

If you can argue that the line is between animals and plants, then someone else can argue the line is between animals and humans.

See, this is where you are just throwing your hands up and giving up on an sort of ethics. Because it’s theoretically possible for plants to feel pain then there is no reason to act moral when it comes to animals who we KNOW feel pain.

It’s like saying “porn with adults is harmful, but so is porn with children, who is to say where the line is? It’s an open question that is all perspective, so consume whatever you like”. When we know for a fact that sexual abuse of children causes suffering as opposed to what consenting adults do for a job.

Saying plants feel pain is motivated reasoning to call vegans hypocrites, not to actually produce a better world. I did not message you with my beliefs, you messaged me with whataboutism. 99% of the food humans eat is living in some sense (aside from minerals like salt), yeast in my bread is alive in some sense, but comparing that life to an animal as a reason it may not be matter? That it’s all perspective? Well then why not draw the line around cannibalism of anyone under a certain IQ. If consciousness is such an open question, then who is to say anyone is real except for myself? If I hurt another human, who is to say that they feel at all? It could all be simulation from a certain perspective so who cares?

This sort of “what if” and “it depends” whataboutism doesn’t actually help anyone. I didn’t bring veganism to you, you brought this to me. This is just naval gazing because calling vegan hypocrites makes you more secure in your own choices. You’re not saying anything of value,

No. It’s really not. I know the study you are going to link with the clickbait title that “plants feel pain”, but it’s unscientific garbage.

When you cut a plant, it only reacts with a secretion. That’s not sentience, it has no concept of pain because it literally does not have the required parts to feel it. Pain requires a nerve ending to feel the sensation, a brain to process that sensation in to an threat and a system to connect those two organs. Plants have none of this.

Yes plants release a pheromone when they are cut, but to extrapolate that to pain is a wild leap. If I cut an animal, they bleed, they yell, and they either run away or attack me, they generally do the same for their children. Exactly like humans react when cut. It’s impossible to disprove if plants have some other totally radically different type of intelligence we just don’t understand yet, but there is no evidence to suggest that is the case. I am making my choices based off evidence, not “idk, what if it was true”. It’s the same reason I know the earth is round and not flat, evidence not vibes.

It is intellectually dishonest to say that a potato and a pig perceive the world in the same way.

I don’t eat meat because it causes suffering in another. Plants have no concept of pain without a brain, nervous system or even nerve endings. So to me, the question becomes if the lab grown meat was ever attached to a brain that could feel suffering.

Now as far i understand it, lab grown meat isn’t nessecarily grown in isolation from a cow. But in a solution primarily compromised of blood extracted from living cows. That’s without question better than killing a creature, buuuuuuut we all know that when profits are involved the health of a animal is not prioritized.

So it really depends, while I don’t miss meat, once lab grown becomes widely available I’ll make my choice depending on the exact process of how it reached the grocery store.

Well, it depends.

• If you’re a non-binary person, we’ll eliminate the non and that’s any binary trans or cis person.

• If you are genderfluid person, then I suppose it would be gendersolid? So probably any cis person?

• If you’re an agender person, then your opposite would obviously be pangender , you can be a lack to their all.

• And if you are simply a person, well then that would be xenogender!

Or vice versa! ♥ 💕

Well three big reasons, it’s statistically less likely to be an incident, has less terrible results if DOES become a problem and the personal experiences of women. So just to be clear, the hypothetical is

Would you rather be alone in the woods with a random man or a random bear?

And the vast majority of women, myself included, pick the random bear. Of course we realize that bears are dangerous creatures, on average they attack about 40 people a year worldwide. Primarily hikers that get too close to a mother bear and it attacks to protect its cubs.

Now compare that with the statistics of sexual violence. A few things should jump out, primarily that 1 in 5 women experince sexual assault at some point in their lives. One in three victims are minors and just over half of those attacking the crime are known to the victim. It’s hard to compare those numbers straight across, because per year and in lifetime aren’t quite the same thing, BUT it’s also very clear that it’s WAY WAY WAY more likely that a young woman will be harmed by men they know. Exponentially more so than they are attack by bears.

(and it’s worth nothing that most experts agree those numbers are likely lower than reality due to social pressures and shame)

If I were hypothetically alone in the woods with a bear, I would know that so long as I leave the bear alone, its likely to leave me alone. If I mess with it or it’s cubs, I’m liable to have a problem but if I focus on getting home then it’s likely not a problem.

But if it were a random man that knew we were alone in the woods? Well, not only is the man faster and stronger than me, he is also way more likely to harm me than a bear. If I attempt to evade a human, it’s way less assured that I could get home safely. Not only is he way smarter and more motivated to find me than a bear, but he also runs the risk of being sadistic. Even in a worse case scenario, the worst thing a bear can do is simply kill me. But some men are liable to keep me alive simply for their gratification and then eventually kill me. To speak nothing of sadists who will specfically enjoy my suffering. That’s not a risk with the bear. Getting the worst bear in the world means minutes of pain if I am reckless enough to be near it, but getting the worst man means hours/days/weeks of suffering from a captor that is much harder to escape from. Regardless of my actions, age, appearance or relationship to the man.

And let’s say a man/bear does assault me in the woods and I escape back to civilization. Everyone will believe me when I say a bear attacked me. But not so it I say a man. That will prompt questions of

“what were you wearing?”

“Did you lead him on?”

“He said it was consentual, you might be lying because you regret it.”

Mosy women have not been raped, BUT most women have had a man try something explict with them while alone. Be it alone in an apartment, home, classroom or any other place. So when the hypothetical is total isolation from society, laws and repurcussions. When it’s just me alone in the woods, the bear is a safer bet on every single factor.

Try to answer the question with your little sister in mind, would you rather her be alone in the woods with a stranger man or a random bear? Because as I said before, tragically, 1 in 3 victims are minors, how many many men would we this as their golden opportunity for SA without repercussions? Would those men seek her out? Or would you rather the subject contuine being a wild animal in the woods that doesn’t care your sister even exists.

I understand most of every side of every argument because I’m not a moron.

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This sort of arrogant lack of self awareness sounds pretty moronic to me.

Sorts seems like you know that most women say the bear and you are upset about it. Do you actually want to understand why?

I’m a woman and this is pretty close to my entire life. After suffering a dog attack I can’t really walk anymore and it’s a struggle to do a lot of basic household tasks. I too was also pretty skeptical I would ever find a relationship, but it’s been over two years with my girlfriend and she is wonderfully supportive. We divide up house work based around what I can do and is always checking in if I’m feeling up to doing something.

All I’m saying is you can’t give up hope. Women exist who are okay with our situations, you’ll find her sooner or later. :)

Seriously, this is like lightweight man or bear.

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The privilege of not having to be on guard while out around drunk people.

This exact scenario sounds threatening and like a total buzz kill. You need to understand that being out in a bar situation is a little vulnerable for women for obvious reasons, how am I supposed to know the guy coming up yelling to do a thing is safe? This could turn scary so dang quick. I get that you are just trying to be friendly and personable, but if I don’t know you then I would absolutely be taking a step back and wish you hasn’t done that.

I can’t speak for all women, but you asked. I’m not even remotely suprsied that this isn’t something other women don’t reciprocate. I think maybe you should reconsider doing this.

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I do not. Heck, the thread is about asking the other sex, I wouldn’t have answered if I was a dude.

Because idc what you are feeling, I don’t want to touch a random drunk guy. Sorry, not sorry.

I love compliments! So long as it’s not an attempt to start a conversation, if you think I’m pretty say so! But please don’t expect me to say anything besides “thank you” and keep walking.

The only time I would rather a guy didn’t is if I am forced to stay in the area. If we are in a elevator or waiting room, don’t make it awkward because I’m absolutely not gonna reciprocate or set up a date with someone I don’t know.

Personally, I think you’re really close to the answer but with an important distinction. The great filter is an hyper aggressive species that does not want to deal with a potential cold war with a different species with technology as advanced as their own. They already launched their doomsday armageddon weapon at us after detecting our existence, probably from something like our farthest satille, Voyager 1.

It could take generations for the bomb heading to our sun or stealth asteroid heading directly for us to actually connect. But it’s arguably in their best interest not to even chance us becoming militarily on par with them.

Statistically there is alien life out there somewhere, and whichever one got to interplanetary weapons first would have everything to lose by allowing an equal to exist.

My question for you is, why do you want a female perspective on this? Idk, doesn’t seem like something that gender would effect.

Even I’m not THAT vegan

Seems like something ya mess around with for 20 minutes, realize that their is a lot more to writing than a prompt and never think about it again.

Neat, but also kinda dumb.